It went all wrong for Aston Villa who have now suffered a third straight defeat in the Premier League. Aston Villa performed very poorly in the first half with Newcastle having almost all the chances. Newcastle controlled the game well and the pace of Remy and Ben Arfa tore Villa’s defence. Ben Arfa scored the first goal for Newcastle after Remy’s skill got passed Lowton out wide, he managed to pick out the Frenchman. Aston Villa lost defender Okore to injury after he chased on a long ball towards Remy, Clark was his replacement. The closest Villa came to scoring was when Clark volleyed a lose ball from Lowtons cross from a tight angle on the right.
In the second half Aston Villa massively improved, the team played higher up the pitch and controlled the majority of the game. However, Villa found it difficult to break down the Newcastle defence. It wasn’t until the 70th minute when Kozak’s substitute appearance may have interrupted Newcastle’s defence as Benteke headed in from a corner. Ben Arfa caused Luna problems all game and if there were to be a winning goal, it would come from Ben Arfa. Surely enough, one of his shots was parried by Guzan which went towards the way of Gouffran who made no mistake.
I was bitterly disappointed by Villa’s performance, Villa struggle to win games at home and it’s no wonder why. Villa can’t string together two good halves. The team is also one dimensional, with the attack focused on a counter or getting it to Benteke. It’s getting to predictable and if Lambert want’s the team to beat Norwich, we’re going to have to see changes to the starting 11.
First of all, Bennett deserves a chance back into the starting 11. Luna wasn’t pressing Ben Arfa, and Luna was clearly the weak link in the defence. I think Luna has played well over the last few games, but it appears as though he has taken his starting 11 spot for guarantee. Bennett played well in the League Cup a few weeks back and I think he should get a chance back into the starting 11.
The Weimann-Benteke-Agbonlahor combination also needs a change. The issue with Aston Villa is that the team is only playing in the centre. Lambert has brought in another forward Kozak, is there a similarity between him and Benteke? Yes, it’s height and strength. The best way to utilise this is by width, we haven’t got any. I think Weimann and Agbonlahor can play well away, but at home we’ve got to see some width. I want Lambert to play a 4-2-3-1 formation and play Tonev and Albrighton out wide, yes Albrighton. He hasn’t played for a while, but he offers valuable width.
Villa are missing an attacking midfielder at home, this would’ve been a good game to play either Tonev or Helenius behind Benteke. Someone to get those loose balls from Benteke and create an opening for either Weimann or Agbonlahor.
Until these things are addressed, I don’t think Aston Villa will see another home win anytime soon.
Very predictable result, nothing learned from last season. Don’t like to pick on him because he’s useful away, but Weimann is not contributing anything other than a bit of huff and puff. We really need to make 2-3 changes from away games to home games. Creativity needed but we’ve known this for a few seasons now. Just look at what a difference one quality player can make ie Ben Arfa.
Well I’m inclined to agree with Oohah and Terry, start of the season we came out with all guns firing, what the fuck gone wrong? this time we cannot blame Vlaar Clarke both saved us from a bigger defeat, I like one or two other can see complacently in the team midfield was never right from the start, we do have to blame Lambert on today’s results his home work was wrong he should have known that Newcastle would play 5 across , we should have played wide on the wing. Not down the middle.
Agree bill fwiw I thought Clarke played really well today and even vlaar did ok but Should if cut out cross for their first goal. I think okore being injured is a massive blow as he wil easily be our best ch lets hope he’s not out too long. It seems that all we do pass to Benteke up front and now he is being Sussed a d crowded out all tge time the problem is there is no plan B just like under MON. If you look at our squad as a whole you have to say that the players themselves are just not good enough especially at home. Kae was dire today and gave the ball away at least 3 times before his 4th give away led to their goal. Why lambert bought a striker instead of a creative midfielder is a serious question that needs to be asked.
I don’t want to slate MON, we haven’t had success since he left us. Yes, he spent a ton of cash but it did work.
Lambert is a little bit arrogant, doesn’t make changes until it’s too late and won’t change the system against a team where we are more likely to win.
Lambert is a little bit arrogant, doesn’t make changes until it’s too late and won’t change the system against a team where we are more likely to win.
Bit like MON then Adam !
Fans dont realise pick up one or nothing points in the next 2 games and we could be bottom we hav norwich and man City we wont beat city so we have to beat norwich or else thats it’s for lambert and will start calling for his head
I think Norwich are beatable but man city ain’t all that they’ve not started well this season and couldn’t beat stoke today so u never know. Unfortunately even if we lost both games 10 nil lamberk will still be here the problem is he is simply doing whats asked of him ie keeping us up that is his remit and technically that makes him immune from the sack. The other problem of course is if he went then what I can’t think of one half decent manager who would come here tbh.
Ps Everton beat chelski 1.0 lol
If we lose to Norwich, I think there will be a fan unrest. I’ll be soon panicking.
You can’t go 1 win in 5 games, let alone 1 win in 6 games.
I know it’s the beginning of the season but it’s important to get a few points on board
Our next 3 home games man city, Tottenham and Everton you can forget wining them 5 homes loss on the trout mark my words lambert out
Neither would I, as he’s “young and enthusiastic”. He’d make a solid director but he’s terrible as a manager.
Anyone watch Barry today? He out played Chelsea’s midfield. That’s really what we need.
Havnt seen game but I was mocked when I said we Shoukd of took Barry back on loan. It’s World Cup year and he has a point to prove. Add to that he can play cm dm am lb lm and centre half ffs plus he’s got that vital experience and would be a great captain. Really missed a trick there but dint worry wev got Kojak instead ffs
Barry was superb. It made me a bit sad that Villa rejected the opportunity of bringing him back on loan!
An experienced midfielder is what we need and would’ve made a difference.
Iv said same thing plus he pay centre half and defensive midfield ffs
Lambert would never have that some in the changing room who knew what what he was talking about? Heaven forbid.
Just got back been on the piss drowning my sorrows and all I’ve got to to say is what an absolute shower of shite, no width, no game plan, no quality, no fucking chance.
And where the fuck are Langford, Foxy, VITD and the likes? Because if you can defend that- well the stage is all yours, go on enlighten me.
TJ – Gareth Villa- Oohah you have my apologizes.. .
Lol hate say I told u so but…:-)
I can do a Langford impression we will not be relegated! P&p lol
P& Fucking P whatever mate the c**t (PL) aint got a fucking clue and I DARE anyone to say otherwise and yes you did and yes you where right – you pay peanuts, you get monkeys!
Fuck me Bill you are pissed off,Langfords in Germany,Giddy just email me he’s piss off as well, if you have read what I’ve said I’m with you all the way mate Lambert got it wrong, so fucking wrong its unbelievable.
BP I know you were down there today mate and couldn’t you feel the wind changing? PL had a long honeymoon after McCleish but today all I was hearing at half time was that was as bad as McCielsh and to be honest they aint wrong, Randy as turned us into Rag Ass Rovers mate.
I thought the only bright spark was okore before he was injured and also I have to say Clarke has definitely improved IMO and was our motm again just my opinion.
Giddy fucked off as it was to negative for him and didn’t agree with negativity but hopefully today he’s seen the light. Langford can still post from Germany lol
Lol I’m not used to all this adulation BWS though on this occasion I wish I was proved wrong 🙁
It’s not just giddy that’s done one tho is it everyone has gone from this once great site!time to finish it all i think lads.theres only about 6 of you left!
BWS mate there is no need to apologise as those you have mentioned will think twise before they berate us for our views as one of these days they will see the light.Our biggest fear should be that by the time they do it will be to late.People like that will be the first to moan when relegation happens.
TJ dont you think some posters are conspicuous by their absence?
All I have to say to then is go on, defend that shower of shit today, I dare you.
BWS mate somebody just wrote pay peanuts get monkeys well think LAMBERK must be from the Planet of the Apes even ORANGUTAN UTD could beat this bunch.
I won’t defend it we were shocking , and I totally agree with most comments.
Just watched Everton game and in all honesty they are miles ahead of us. Thye knocked the ball around nicely, chased and harassed Chelsea and should have beaten they by 2 or 3. We cannot expect win at home if we pump up long balls and give away easy possession. Most of Evertons moves went through Barkley who was playing in just behind Jelavic. WE HAVE NOBODY PLAYING THAT ROLE!!
What annoys me more than anything is lambert has had 3 transfer windows to get midfield and defence right and we are still no further forward. He has done well with Benteke and okore looks good other that I’m struggling.
But we haven’t actually gotten to watch the new players play. Bringing on Tonev in the 88th minute is absolutely pointless. The kid’s quality if you watched Bulgaria play, him and Popov are absolute fantastic together but he can’t do it if he’s given 5 minutes at a time. Helenius has gotten 7 minutes this season and Bacuna 92. That’s not enough to show their talents because of the way we play. Okore was always going to show them as the way Lambert plays, Villa defend… A LOT.
But then that’s lamberts fault for not bringing them on earlier or starting with them. This is worrying as he must think we have better players starting today!
Did you read his comments? He says the same thing 10 different ways to put the blame on the players.
“It was frustrating, very much so.
“We never got going in the first half. It was unlike us. But we can’t lose goals like the way we did.
“We started the second half really well. But the first half, we lost a really poor goal and the second I thought was even worse.
“They get back into it then. The impetus and ascendancy was with us. But you can’t defend that way.
“We don’t set them out to play that way. You have to give Newcastle credit for starting the game well. We are not a team who can play slow football. We don’t have that know how yet to play that way.
“A big part of our game is our energy and tempo. We started slowly. In the second half, it was much more like us.
“It wasn’t like us, especially in the first half. In the second half it was a lot better.
“You pick them up and go again on Monday now. We have Norwich on Saturday.
“I can’t fault them for effort. They gave me everything they had to try and retrieve it. But the disappointing thing was the two goals.
“I am not one for making excuses. We got beat because we didn’t start the game in the right manner.
“The frustrating thing in the games we’ve played is we have always conceded the first goal. We have had to come back from that. That’s a lot to ask every time. It’s a lot to do. It’s disappointing to start in the manner we did.
“But I can’t fault my team for effort. I’d like to get results and more points. But I can’t fault them for the way they try to do the right things.”
He’s starting to sound so much like McLeish when all Villa did was defend and he continued to say that “this wasn’t a McLeish-like performance”. I mean at the end he claims they “try to do the right things”. but it’s his job to pick the team to do the right things and he continues to fail miserably. I almost want him out for this garbage.
Lol what gets me is when he says we started slowly and didn’t defend well….but then said that’s unlike us!! Wev been doing that this season and last year. When was the last time we actually playedwellfor 2 halves not one but 2. Very rarely happens if we have a good first half we are shit in the second and visa versa
It’s like you read these comments as fans and you’ve got to be thinking… “He claims this every single game that it’s unlike us to not defend well”. He literally does claim this every game that we try to do the right things and we defend poorly, which is unlike us. It’s hogwash.
Ps bacuna was awful v Liverpool but like u say needs more than one game
Oohah my good friend the only way we will ever see LAMBERK sacked is if a new or new owners take over.This self opinionated deluded fool will be allowed to carry on making a mockery of the fans.Its time now for a change before the greatest club in league history ends up on the scrap heap.
True sir Terrance. Can’t see Lerner selling when he’s about to get £90m from sky. Would love him to sell but sometimes u have to be careful what we wish for we could get a Carson yeung but on the other hand we could get a man city style takeover then we would definitely be up there again challenging
Look on the bright side lads, we’re away next week.
Fucking hilarious,see you bleed Claret and Blue.
Its not the players fault they just aint good enough. The man who bought them and the clown who appointed him and gave him peanuts to spend are the real culprits. Lerner is a clueless turd !
Your right it is not their fault and we can’t blame them for coming here. If I was playing for a lower league team in a couple of grand a week and a team like villa offered me the prem for 10-15m I’d take them up on it to even if I didn’t think I was good enough as that’s their problem IMO. Like I said earlier youth is great but it has to be counterbalanced by experience. Lerner just wants fourth from bottom that is more than obvious now and if lambert is sacked he will simply get another putsy to do the same thing.
Villa fans have been taken for mugs by Lerner why so many have bought into his new ‘vision’ is beyond me. This ‘vision’ seems to be to survive in the prem while spending next to nothing on transfer fees and wages. I thought we were a big club but Lerner appears to want to lower our expectations to match his. We are heading for our 4th consecutive relegation battle because of this idiotic tw*t !
Agree. Initially Lerner did try to crack the top four but when MON ballsed it up his priority is now 4th from bottom. I’m also amazed how he’s succeeded in lower fans expectations where we now see staying in the prem as the holy grail. We are the new Wigan. This club will never do well under this regime it’s so obvious it’s untrue!! Iv nothing against us bringing in young talented players with older players to bring them on but we just buy quantity over quality hoping we will unearth another Benteke who will piss of ASAP.
I think there might be a case for 4-4-2 here to protect the full backs and maybe give better cover for the back 4.Also I think we could play Bacuna and Tonev out wide play 2 up top Benteke with Weimann or Kozak.Gabby also can play the LM position.Just a though…UTV
when mon left we where fit to sell milner young downing taking in half what he spent,houllier came in spent25to30millionwhat did we get back mcleish came in spent 20 million how much will come back lambert spent about 35to40 million at least under mon we were competing didnt go 25 games without a clean sheet look at our squad under mon and spurs under rednappthere wage bill has gone up by 50 million ours is coming down if we are not carefull we could be another leeds take benteke out our panel is poor
Just back from the match. It’s a long drive home after that kind of display! I haven’t read any of the replies yet so bear with me if I’m repeating stuff others have said.
Funnily enough I was thinking about Albrighton too and Gabby wide on the left, Benteke scored from a corner, that’s what Kozak can do too (and Helenius, see pre-season). I thought Wiemann looked better when Kozak came on and he played in the middle, behind the three up front. Wiemann had a bad day though, as did Westwood. I don’t want to see KEA play for some time, he created virtually nothing. We were relying on Luna and Lowton to get the crosses in and it just didn’t happen, plus they weren’t getting back fast enough.
We need to have a different game plan. Who’d have thought going into the match that we’d play exactly the same 4-4-3 with exactly the same players and lots of long balls up to Benteke? It looked like Villa of a few years ago, punt the ball to a big target who will lose it and allow the opposition to attack again, for goalie to collect and punt to a big target who will lose it etc etc etc.
I might already have mentioned this but KEA is not good enough.
On the plus side I thought Vlaar was very good, Okore was excellent (such a shame about the injury), Delph put his heart into it again (is anyone else playing ‘guess in which half Delph will get his yellow card’?) and Gabby was excellent too. Benteke did what Benteke does.
Wiemann really looked like he cared. He works his socks off and was making runs and finding space and people were ignoring him and playing the ball backwards or sideways or whatever. There was so little creativity on show today. I really think he needs a proper what it says on his shirt, our number 10, the attacking midfielder we’ve been waiting for.
So, perhaps:
Lowton Okore Vlaar Luna
Albrighton Wiemann Delph Gabby/Tonev
Gabby/Kozak Benteke
Or is that just stupid?
One other thing, KEA was responsible for the first goal by losing the ball and going down expecting a free kick. Was it Westwood or Lowton who made the next mistake to allow the goal to happen? The Sturridge goal was pure class. The two Newcastle goals today were crap defending and easy finishes.
Agree about kae. Didn’t u think Clarke did well today I think he’s really improved this season
Clark played really well, as did Vlaar (when he slipped up though I thought we were in trouble!). I think Okore has been consistently good enough to come ahead of Clark but I’m happy to be proved wrong if we can have a decent central defence.
I don’t think Bennett is good enough to replace Luna, even if he had a bad day.
Just watching motd did anyone see Barry’s tackle an all round dm display. We really missed out bug time not signing him. Lamberk is a joke
How about fucking off Lambert and getting someone in who’s got half a clue?
And fucking off Lerner and getting in anyone that’s got any clue how to run a football club???
Like who? Hypothetically if he was sacked tomor who would u get that is available half decent and would come to us?
Its no use fans burying their heads in the sand and ignoring the obvious. This team is going to struggle this season because it lacks real quality. Quality costs money but Lerner prefers tje club to deal in the bargain basement. While the top clubs shop at M&S others at Asda we have to make do at Lidels ! Aston Villa FC has no ambition and is in serious decline and yet some fans think Lerner is a great guy. Lerner spent money in his first 3 years but because of his lack of nous allowed MON to waste it on crap on stupid wages. As the owner the buck stops with him in more ways than one !
And aint that the truth!
To be fair to Lerner he did give us a load of little flags to wave for semi with Bradford so can’t be all bad lol. Seriously though u are right he is completely clueless and just dosnt get it. He thinks keeping us up is successful. He very rarely goes to vp anyway and relies on pf ffs. Says it all. It’s the blind leading the blind
I think today 14th September shocked everyone,we never thought that Newcastle would have an easy game that they had today, at least i didnt.who do we blame? player’s, Lambert?, me its at the feet of Paul Lambert, why lack of vision didn’t do his homework, Newcastle utd picked themselves up after having just as bad a season as us, they did something about it we haven’t ,we seemed to have lost that fight, player’s leaving it to others to get the ball, I guess some will say give it time, not for me ,a player that puts a Villa shirt on dies for it, I didn’t see that at Villa Park today. Luna was bad I actually said that on his first game, OK going forward but cannot defend he doesn’t retreat back quick enough on loosing the ball, midfield is poor need a creative player kae is not good enough, nor is weimann, I hope the way I see it does not offend and that things are seen at Villa and soon.
Agree bill re Luna and kae but still think weimann will come good tbf.
I think Wiemann is class but needs a confidence boost. Plus he was making runs and space and either the defence/midfield didn’t spot him or ignored him in favour of a sideways pass. I don’t think Newcastle were that good today, we were just rubbish. Passing the ball out of play, or just giving it straight to the opposition. I don’t know where the confidence has gone but we need a) new ideas, b) a different formation with rotation of some players, c) KEA banned and d) tactics.
I’ve mentioned this before, Luna, Delph and Gabby work well together down the right. Lowton and Wiemann aren’t working well because there’s no one linking them. Put Wiemann in the middle with Albrighton on wide right (or Bacuna). Wiemann has imagination, works well with Benteke, can score goals, has energy to put himself in space, tries stuff on etc. KEA was dire today. Sure he made some nice passes but it would be interesting to see how many went sideways.
I’m still positive about this squad but all our opponents have worked out how to deal with Benteke, and I’m in agreement with everyone else that Luna and Lowton can’t be both defenders and wingers at the same time. What’s happened to the passing Lambert had the players doing last season? Why can’t we pass the ball up the field rather than just have Guzan punt it up to Benteke?
We’re being linked with Lescott again for a January move. I don’t think our CB’s are the problem. I’m happy with any combination of the 4 at the moment. We need a DM. Sylla needs to start. I don’t care if he’s not creative, however having 3 CM’s that can’t cover the fullbacks, nor are creative in their own rights and can get run over at any time isn’t good enough. Sylla will at least cover Lowton or Luna when they get forward.
Although we have plenty of squad players we are still struggling for width and creativity. We need natural wingers desperately, someone who’s job is to run up and down his line and will put in a good cross and will occasionally drift in and play are part in building up attacks. We need to mix up the formations and defence have got to sort their acts out. Why can we not bring in a top defensive coach? I would love to see a strong centre midfield who rarely leaves the centre circle just launching passes to wingers and central attackers and will pinch the ball back. This would free delph up to focus on his attacking game. I think lamberts tactics at times are seriously alarming. If the season starts to look like another relegation battle its time to call it a day for this teams visions and add solid reinforcements in january. We will be pushing people r luck this season
That’s a good point Tom if any team needs a def coach it’s us ffs
When Lerner took over the club had a small low quality squad and had struggled to stay up the was stagnant and neede an injection of ambition and hope. 7 1/2 years later and whats changed ? Nothing except we are now 100m in debt ! We all thought Ellis was hopeless but Lerner makes him look like a football guru. We were all taken in by American spin and tjought of Lerner as a knight in shinning armour but he has turned out to be the court jester. If we want a new exciting era it will need a change of ownership because this man is only interested in cost cutting and running the club on a shoe string budget. Lerner has done nothing for the club or its fans in his time here. If he continues much longer it will end in the club being relegated it is now time to lay the blame where it is deserved at Lerners door for his poor running of the club.
Court jester!! Lol
100m in debt??? LOL