It’s been confirmed that Tom Cleverley has signed a five year contract to play for Everton.
Speculation in the Daily Star says that he’s on £50 thousand a week.
Is that too much?
It probably and definitely is in my opinion, but don’t forget this is a free transfer, where wages make up for the lack of a transfer fee, hence in this sort of deal the wages will be even more ridiculous than usual.
The question here is did Cleverley want Everton over Villa regardless? It has been suggested that he just prefers to be up north and if so, that’s fair enough in my eyes.
But could it just that we wouldn’t match that money?
That same £50k a week would certainly have put the player amongst the higher echelons at the club.
But let’s not forget Sherwood said he wanted to keep the player.
It may well be the case that there was never a chance that Cleverley was going to stay at the Villa, whatever happened and if so, well that’s football for you and you can’t complain too much.
Indeed, his five or six decent performances in the thirty odd games he played for us never convinced me and there’s not a chance in hell that I’d rate him at that sort of money, even on a free.
But it seems Sherwood did.
And if we weren’t willing to compete against a club that have equally large monetary problems as us, for a player that Sherwood wanted, where does that leave us in this transfer window?
My expectations in the coming months are for yet another period of austerity.
And I predict that those saying we are going to have a massive clearout are going to prove to be very wide of the actuality.
Even if we sell Benteke.
Put it this way, I’m in no rush to apply for a season ticket, I’m afraid.
Steve…you are also completely missing the point….its NOT about Cleverley!……see above! Not sure how many times I have to explain this but will try again….It IS about Sherwood badly wanting him and Randy not paying the salary. Now if Randy wont pay that for an England international (whether you rate him or not does not matter), it suggests that we will only pay peanuts again…..thats the point!….we will get shit again. Do you really believe that any decent player will look at that and see a club with fuck all ambition? We wont/cant buy any decent players whilst Randy is at the helm.
Fuck off Lerner, the Villa is OURS!
I know where you are coming from and it is crap but the point I am making particularly in reference to the SALE of the club is that none of us know what is going.
e.g Sherwood says he wants to sign Cleverley. Cleverley says ok but I want £50K a week a five year deal and a signing on fee of X. Sherwood says for that sort of money I will look elsewhere thank you.
Benteke was Gone 2 years ago – stayed. Barry was going to Liverpool – stayed for a year went to Man City. OGS was our Manager – Lambert came
We’ve sold the club we haven’t.
Lerner came threw a fortune at this club got his fingers burnt and now wants out = mess – I agree with you he needs to go now if his heart is not in it. But how easy is it to find somebody to come in and throw another load of money at us. Everton and Newcastle have been up for sale a lot longer than us
Are you on the villa board ? Are you cleverley s agent ? No. All just guess work.
This is based on what? Sherwood’s joke that if Cleverley didn’t sign he wasn’t going to play in the final? There’s not an ounce of proof that Sherwood wanted Cleverley “badly” to sign for Villa. Not a single one. A contract could’ve been offered but there’s no proof on that either. When Everton first got linked and the day he signed, they were the only team that offered him a contract if we even pay attention to the media. Arsenal and Southampton also showed interest, but no one else offered him anything.
Why would Villa pay Cleverley 50k wages to begin with?
Andrew…you havent got a sccoby doo, have you?…..its based on a LIVE interview with Sherwood saying ‘how badly’ we want to sign him….thats fact. Stop making stuff up as you go along! All the shit you come out with is ‘pure guess work’
He laughed off claiming he wasn’t going to play him if he didn’t sign. That’s what he said. That’s not made up guess work, that is FACT. Simple as. Nothing I’ve said is made up.
FFS….Google it! There is a Sky Sports News Video and its repeated at least 30, yes 30 times on different websites all over the net….I repeat you guess and make shit up….FFS google it! Either that or it was someone impersonating Sherwood! Your Cup Final quote IS/WAS a joke….the interview IS factual! FFS google it…..p.s. Are you a politician as you seem to love to spin the truth! 🙂
Comprehension mate, think you need to learn it. Never did he say he wanted him badly.
“He said: “I want the club to talk to his representatives and I want him to stay at Villa.”
Wanting him to stay and wanting him badly are two different things. I just googled it on a Sky Sports video. He said they would see if it’s right for both parties, it’s more important for Villa to stay up. He wouldn’t want to join a Championship side. Never once did he say “I want him badly”. So again, I’m not the one making ANYTHING up in this argument, definitely seems like you are.
Unless of course this isn’t the one you were talking about.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/9834984/tim-sherwood-keen-on-keeping-tom-cleverley
I see you’ve been proved right again Langford….NOT!!! ha ha ha ha ha
Just shocking too be honest, especially because I’m supposedly the one twisting things, using exactly what Sherwood said instead of interpreting them like he is. LOL
Come on children put the handbags away and play nicely 🙂
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Haha Oohah, I have no problems. I just find it interesting I can back up what I say and I’m apparently the pathetic one for doing so.
The problem is…ALL the half decent players will know the very low wage cap that Villa operate under. That means most of the available players that we need to progress will not even get to the negotiating stage! Herein lies our problem! We have to up our wage cap or stick with the same problem that we’ve now had for 4 years! It looks to me like we are going with the latter, and that spells danger!
So your pedantic as well as pathetic….I was NOT quoting the actual words (I leave the making up and guesswork to you)! but interpreting them….you probably cant distinguish the difference!
So you are making things up with your “interpretations”. He didn’t even say he wanted him 30 times, he said maybe once that if it’s good for both parties he’d want him. You are again overreacting trying to belittle a club you supposedly support and can’t even get “facts” correct.
My God it didn’t take long for the doom and gloom mongers to get going again.
Problem is that all of the above is written by people who have absolutely no idea what’s actually going on at VP.
I’m going to stay optimistic and hope that, if Villa is sold that we’ll get a good owner who’ll stump up some money and if not then Lerner will at least allow Tim some cash from the TV rights and Benteke’s possible sale to rebuild the team. Hopefully Tim also has an idea of who he wants.
If, at the start of the season, none of this happens I might start worrying but not before then
What’s the point of spoiling a nice summer 🙂
UTV
Pat I used to be one of the positive posse on here,but now I just ain’t getting it.
Austin will be another missed opportunity with the barcodes & spuds being more attractable financially,we simply can’t compete with imo any other premier league teams as we pay piss weak salaries in today’s game.onwards & downwards.
Just looked at Bournemouth’s team and the most they spent on a player was £500,000. Now I know they’re Championship but I think they might do okay this season.
To me it’s not all about money. We know Tim favours young players anyway. It’s more about how they play as a team and whether they play with a bit of passion. I’d sooner see a group of youngsters in this season so that in a few years time we might really have a competitive team.
Although didn’t someone once say that ‘You’ll never win anything with kids’ 🙂
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i know there is a lot of doom and gloom about with us not being able to compete with other clubs for transfer fees and wages but don’t blame Lerner directly i think this fair play malarkey hits villa harder than most clubs. hence Lerner being one of three chairmen to vote against when it was first mooted around the same time he lost interest in being a billionaire being told when to spend his money i cant think of any player being sold against his will, for profit sure we sold milner, barry, young. they all wanted away where lerner has gone wrong is not making aston villa more profitable so that more money can be spent if the whole Saudi royal family bought villa they still couldn’t spend what is required, until we can generate more profit
how come southampton can compete. everton have been in dept for years and can compete . randy has mismanaged the club and now we suffer unless he decides to sell. randy has lost interest in his toy so wont spend any significant amount on transfers or wages. the quicker he sells the better. watching him at the cup final really pissed me off . hasn’t been at villa park all season but showed up at wembley just in case we pulled of a miracle . i for one just want him gone. i will never trust the man again . its funny the browns fans used to come on saying what a bad owner he was and most villa fans could not understand were they where coming from. five years later most of us now understand why.
maybe there are more overheads at the villa could do with someone with accounting skills to give us a rough guide as to how much can be spent without falling foul of these restrictions
more overheads , like paying his family trust fund interest on dept randy ran up mismanaging the club. im fed up with excuses . if benteke goes do you honestly think he will give sherwood the £32m plus say another £25m to spend. i’m guessing no. he will use a good chunk of the benteke money to pay off some of the dept to his family trust fund . now if he does that will the selling price of the club be reduced because there will be less dept owed to his family. i doubt it. a good accountant can pull many tricks look at google or starbuck been operating in britain for year but hardly paid a penny in tax. im not saying randy is a bad man but he comes from a banking family and i bet he has great accountants .
ill repeat if it was all about recouping his personnel wealth more players would of been sold. not one player has been sold for profit, only because they were crap or wanted to leave which we haven’t done to bad regarding fees received i know accountants can make up figures all i ask is for someone a bit savvy to explain to me in layman’s terms how much that aston villa can spend on the playing staff wages /transfer funds before we start to get penalties also am i right to believe if we are to be sold to someone who has done due diligence then i am sure benteke cannot be sold by Lerner, something to do with assets as at last audit
Anyone else having problems replying to specific posts?
Yes MATE I’m having problems
Cheers mate, I’ll look into it.
Testing
Delph is named as a sub for today’s game, if anyone is interested.
And Giddy, I think replies should be ok now 🙂
The Youtube video gallery was causing a problem, fwiw.
BADGER those YOU tube links should be banned on here can’t speak for everyone but it really fucks my handset about.
From what I can judge Badger he should be on? Rooneys the biggest crap player on the pitch.
here’s a bit i found on FFP from the bbc website unless things have been changed we are bolloxed we are on very close to the max on losses
it would help if i posted the link durrr! http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29361839
Isn’t platini relaxing the fair play rules ?
there is talk of them being relaxed and with the new tv deal as long as we stay in the prem there should be no problem.
for a short period i believe so that PSG can catch up
its ok saying its no problem unless we can increase income we cant compete in the transfer market no matter who owns/funds us
Been trying to make that argument on here for ages. It’s so true. But we can still spend a fair bit of money if we sell, and they are loosening up on the FFP rules so yeah, I think there will be a lot of leeway for money for a lot of clubs.
Sell who exactly?
Take out Benteke, Delph and erm…
And the squad isn’t worth £30 mill
Could probably get 20ish million for Guzan, Hutton, Lowton, Cissokho, Bennett, Luna, Senderos, Richardson, Sanchez, Gil, N’Zogbia, Weimann and Kozak.
i think it was the wages that done us originally they are now under control but what value do any of our players command benteke,delph that’s about it we need tom fox to do his bit with a lucrative sponsor, possibly (wash my mouth out with soap)ground renaming more income has to be generated if we are to move forward and never see this embarrassing set of results ever again
the new tv deal has gone up .
Combined broadcast revenue up by 48% . thats from bbc news website .
our wages were out of control silly wages paid to players who did not justify them. we can all name the players so there is no point me doing it . but most of these players have now gone. yes we are still stuck with a few but most of them are now in the last year of there contracts.
there is no excuse to not invest in the squad now .
yes but they are worthless with little or no resale value we are £95 million in debt if we reach £105 million we could face sanctions or point deductions the new tv money doesn’t come in until the end of the season
if we sell benteke for the reported buyout and sell the likes of Lowton, Cissokho Gil, N’Zogbia, Weimann then that should bring us to around £40m . im pretty sure you can raise 10 million from them. that leaves us with £40+ million for new players. we dont have to go deeper into dept. i’m pretty sure i read we actually made a profit this year and with the likes of bent and vlaaar leaving + the players i have already listed that should give us some wages to pay new players. i dont see how we cant spend a minimum of £40m this summer.
Florentin Pogba the name keeps popping up CB at St Ettiene
Good CB replacement for Vlaar. Pogba, Clark, Okore and Baker. That’s a hell of a CB group. That would mean we would have a 22, 24, 24 and 25 year old CB group. Keep those 4 for 8-10 years together and we could have a hell of a CB group.
“That’s a hell of a CB group”
No Andrew, it really isn’t.
This is the bit you don’t get, imo.
It’s pretty much the same back line that has looked so poor all season, a few odd games apart.
It may well be an up and coming back line, but it’s near relegation standard and needs IMPROVING!
Exactly the same as the midfield, where those who expect Gardner to suddenly be a saviour are wrong too.
And the same in our attack, where somehow we can apparently replace Benteke for peanuts, while the rest of the attack is also near relegation quality.
By all means, stick with the up and coming, but we need some proper quality in there to help them along.
Championship and cheap foreign players will just not cut it and if we go down that road again, we’ll be, well, going down the same old road.
Badger
Our problem is, is injuries to our defense. Did we at all ever have the same back 4 during the season for say a consecutive run of 5 games? I don’t think we did. I honestly don’t think our CB’s did a hell of a lot wrong. If we have a fit Clark playing 30-32 games next season, we’ll be in a lot better shape. I don’t think I’m missing anything. I think our CB’s are of quality, our fullbacks are not and our midfield isn’t nor is the attack. I do think however Baker, Clark and Okore are a good foundation and getting someone like Pogba in to partner Clark would give Villa a great back 2. I’d also say get Villa a keeper that’s actually good enough all around and not just a shot stopper like Given and Guzan.
George friend rumours now too.
So bent has been released and Vlaar has been offered a new contract. FFS RON PLEASE DON’T SIGN IT!!!
on a slightly different subject i know benteke wants away but i don’t think there is much interest from all the reported clubs allegedly chasing him at the £32.5 mill price tag all the media frenzy is being created by kiss me quick or whatever his name is and benteke talking to his Belgian teamates someone will come in with a £20mill offer and villa will probably make an offer he cant refuse again if you read all these various clubs blogs then they don’t want him and think hes overrated,
I was looking at the odds of Benteke joining Chelsea (8/1 with skybet) and he is odds on (5/6) to stay. If he was to stay would his heart be with Villa? The fact he has stated he wants Champions League would suggest not. I’m guessing the 8/1….12/1 with Ladbrokes, may just be a decent bet.
PS…With the signing of Ings to Liverpool immanent I definitely can’t see Benteke going there, Which will no doubt upset oohah 😉
But he’s only ever said he has ambition of Champions League football. He didn’t say he wanted it next season, so there’s a chance. He’s never once said he’s unhappy at Villa, and if I remember correctly there’s no quotes in the articles from his agent claiming they’ll do everything to leave.
You’d have to be pretty bloody stupid to come out at the age of 24 saying I want champions league football, but not next season, around the same time as it was revealed that there is a 32.5 million pound release clause in his contract! At the same time he has said that his season with Aston Villa is over so he doesn’t think about Villa and he is leaving any transfer talk to his agent. 🙂
Fair point of course. He told his agent what he wants but he personally hasn’t said he’s looking to leave. I have no doubts he will, but my point is is that I think he’d have his heart in it next season if he does end up staying.