Terry Jones has submitted the following.
Now after yet another home defeat at the hands of the Hammers is it not the time Randy to start and make decisions for yourself and not listen to those who know sweet fa about football?
New Contract or P45 for Lambert a decision needs to be taken.
How many home games have we won? is it three?
Is this what we want for our great club or do we want to see a club that is challenging?
We have been in the premier league since day one of it’s formation and have only been top of the table for brief periods.
But is this not better than what we have now, a team made up of players who would struggle to beat an under 10s team?
Now some say Lambert has not had enough money to spend. In my opinion he has but he has wasted it.
In two summers he’s bought (is it eleven?) players, most from the lower leagues home and abroad instead of bringing in four or five half decent players.
Since he has been in charge we as a club have broken some very unwelcome records and if he is allowed to carry on will only break more and even end up being relegated.This in my mind will be a disaster for the club and fans.
So now the time has come to make the ultimate decision Either Lambert has to go, the club has to be sold else our great history will count for nothing when we are struggling in the lower leagues of English football.
Come on you fans, let’s hear what decisions you want to see made not only to keep our club where it is but to take this club forward. As for myself it would be a disaster for not only Villa but for the many fans old and young to see a great club die because of bad decision making by the owner and more so by a manager who is the worst in the clubs history.Does not Englands second city deserve a top football team?
I say yes, so Randy Lerner, time to make the right decisions.
Unrelated to the post cba to read it but I still cant believe Fulham managed to get holtby and Heitinga! I reckon we would be mid 30ish points now with those two and look a more more solid.
Damn that lazy Bent… Getting in the box and scores off a counter in the 93rd minute. So lazy he is.
that’s wot bent does lmao
brought on H/T does nothing 45mins but head in 🙁 95min
Exactly what we need
Yeah…we really need a lazy twat on 80k a week. Then we could all stop moaning as there would not be a club to moan at. Sidwell scored for Fulham as well. A real 8 mil bargain he was!
Sod well was motm and bent got a priceless goal. Yes bent is lazy no one can argue against that but he puts the fuckin ball in the net which is the hardest thing to do in football. No point having a weimann type player who runs and runs and has lots of shots but can’t hit a barn door where bent only needs one chance. For us he was ideal as we only make a couple of decent chances a game. Wonder if thought he was crap when he single handily stopped us going down
Yeah…Bent’s that good that he is not even picked by a team at the bottom of the PL
where was this bent love been all season .
that was his third goal so far.
not a great ROI in my view for the wages he commands
Eh when you’re told to sit back and not go forward… Bent’s gonna look useless. Their manager’s as defensive-minded as Villa’s. He somehow got a young team that weren’t typically Fulham’s first team players to deny United after 75+ crosses.
New years resolution- stop moaning about Villa and I’ve no intention of breaking it.
Players not good enough (with one or two exceptions)
Manager not good enough.
Owner a tight arse bastard.
Fans – fickle.
Not a complaint or a moan just how things are (imo).
UTV!
Fans – fickle, oh FFS grow up man with that kind of rubbish comments. Fickle is now used as a term of abuse rather than in it’s real context. There is nothing fickle than seeing the shite at home and finally booing after a game. In fact if anything Lambert has got away with far more than any other manager has and Lerner far more than Ellis.
Grow up?? Off you you prick?? Ok, whatever.
Mr Conspiracy theory?
So Randy’s a lizard?
The David Icke of AVNAV?
Mr Wouldn’t know a fact if one bit him on the arse? Your usual bent mother into local politics (imo) is blazing me?
I don’t think so brother.
BWS – I already suggested a couple of weeks ago that Lerner and Lambert were shapeshifters but no one took any notice
Lol foxy its the AV mate put it together – square and Compasses.(see where I’m coming from?)
i wouldn’t get to irate about labeled fickle .. the opposite of the so called “fickle” fans are the lemmings
they both mean nothing really usually substitutes for valid reasoning or plain old fan frustration
I hate that word, but I’m definitely fickle in that I refuse to just blindly agree, when I think things are wrong.
Regardless of my views, I’ll always be aligned with the Villa in general, so no way am I fickle in that sense. I’d suggest that applies to all footy fans;
fick·le
[fik-uhl] Show IPA
adjective
1.
likely to change, especially due to caprice, irresolution, or instability; casually changeable: fickle weather.
2.
not constant or loyal in affections: a fickle lover.
Origin:
before 1000; Middle English fikel, Old English ficol deceitful, akin to fācen treachery, fician to deceive, gefic deception
Related forms
fick·le·ness, noun
un·fick·le, adjective
Synonyms
1. unstable, unsteady, variable, capricious, fitful. 2. inconstant. 1, 2. Fickle, inconstant, capricious, vacillating describe persons or things that are not firm or steady in affection, behavior, opinion, or loyalty. Fickle implies an underlying perversity as a cause for the lack of stability: the fickle seasons, disappointing as often as they delight; once lionized, now rejected by a fickle public. Inconstant suggests an innate disposition to change: an inconstant lover, flitting from affair to affair. Capricious implies unpredictable changeability arising from sudden whim: a capricious administration constantly and inexplicably changing its signals; a capricious and astounding reversal of position. Vacillating means changeable due to lack of resolution or firmness: an indecisive, vacillating leader, apparently incapable of a sustained course of action.
Cheers for the definition. here’s one that might be of interest for your good self-
Sycophant
ˈsɪkəfant/Submit
noun
1.a person who acts obsequiously towards someone important in order to gain advantage.
synonyms: toady, creep, crawler, fawner, flatterer, flunkey, truckler, groveller, doormat, lickspittle, kowtower, obsequious person, minion, hanger-on, leech, puppet, spaniel.
What’s got your goat?
I took a very neutral stance in my comment.
And you know my views on personal abuse, so you might want to go easy eh, mate?
No beef with you mate but he’s big enough to stand his own corner and to be honest he pisses me right off when he’s conspicuous by his absence on the back of any good result till about the following Wednesday (I don’t do match reports) but today he’s all over the site like a dog with two dicks.
Heh, fair enough 🙂
Every fan is fickle, that is football and one day a player is a match winner the next game a donkey, ALWAYS been like that. The likes of BWS who use it as a term of abuse towards his fellow fans shows how low a debating level he must have.
Seen this elsewhere after the game where some fans wish to put some of the blame on fabs, FFS we got 36K yesterday that was a great attendance when walking to the ground it seemed poor. Fans should get all the credit for still turning up after 4 years of utter dross on the field and especially at home …
The fans do not deserve to be called fickle or be abused.
And go expand on how fans are being abused at VP,
Ok the footballs wank but they have a choice- go or don’t!
Being abused grow the fuck up, there’s kids out there with no clothes on there back and fuckall to eat and families living on a dollar a day and Villa fans are being abused?
Well boo hoo hoo what fucking a shame.
So what is your actual evidence for slagging off the fans then ?
Go on then, tell me how Villa fans are so much worse than other ones ?
Notice how many West Ham fans were delighted with Nolan, a month ago he was being deeply abused thats fickle, thats football.
Saw Paul Faulkner outside a pet shop thee other day tucking into a bag of of locusts…
I haven’t been to see the villa for a good while now,i don’t feel im less a fan just someone who’s not prepared to pay good money for somethings thats not entertaining whatsover.i’d rather go down my local park & watch a good punch up on a sunday morning which is free & a damn site more enjoyable.ps love the banter lads.
We are all suffering as Villa fans but what pisses some of us off (me included) is the ones on here that seem to relish our shortcomings and come on to tell us how right they are when we play crap, and disappear when we put in the odd decent performance.
TBH I don’t really give a shit whether you are right or wrong. I want to believe in the possibility that we might break the trend of he who spends the most wins everything that sees a small number of Prem clubs dominating in all domestic competitions. Every team (pretty much) seems to unearth talented players from overseas, lower divisions and even their youth systems. I like to imagine that we will be able to build a competitive team made up mostly from that mix. Lambert may not be the man to deliver this (though I am prepared to give him some more time) but I will salute him for trying. If we can maintain our position in the top division and steadily add quality we could still build a sustainable team that is competitive to the point that Everton for example have reached after a number of years.
And Amen to that
DS….well said mate. We can only judge Lambert when he is given ‘reasonable funding’. Its been so tough because of Lerner cutting back so harshly instead of taking his time and giving managers a ‘sporting chance’. A more gradual approach would have been a far better option IMO. As it is, its Randolph who is playing russian roulette with the club…….so Lerner, fuck off sharpish, the Villa is ours!
DS –
I want to believe in the possibility that we might break the trend of he who spends the most wins everything that sees a small number of Prem clubs dominating in all domestic competitions.
no chance at all and if you believe the tosh about being a Dortmund then that misses out on so many points. The major point being German football was bankrupt and no one even Bayern had that much money. English football is a totally different situation.
I think you have just backed DS’s argument instead of your own.
The team that spanked Real Madrid 4-0 and reached the CL final was put together for around 40 million Euros, in fact, Lewandowski and Kagawa were bought for a combined 5.1 million Euros.
The Dortmund model can work, if the manager can buy the right players.
Wether German football was bankrupt or not is neither here nor there but if you are going to use it as a an argument then it will only back up DS’s viewpoint.
I’d stick to trying to make sense of that Annual Report if i were you.
The problem is Dortmund are full of footballing brains at board level and we have the Chuckle brothers of Lerner and Faulkner, both from similar banking backgrounds, which is why O’Neil was allowed to spend spend spend, as they didn’t have a clue what was going on…Now they have gone to the other end of the spectrum and tried to save save save…. They need to get a director of football and then find a philosophy, let the fans know and stick with it…..
The point is, success can be had if you spend the money wisely, unfortunately Lambert is pretty rubbish in the transfer market.
praise the lord,we have a believer ~ i agree with most comments, for and against ~ also most important iam open minded.
i most definitely believe we can survive this season ~ then wot happens is anybody guess. but Lerner can’t continue asset stripping,
everton just survived one year, by the skin of their teeth, not sure if that was moyles first year. but they never changed a squad and paid less wages. they simply stopped investing in transfers.but hats 2 them they got the rite man in and on shoestring budgets they av constantly over achieved
“but they never changed a squad and paid less wages. they simply stopped investing in transfers.”
The first part is correct and that’s my biggest single complaint. We went too far, too fast.
I question the second part though.
They have spent mate. Fellaini wasn’t cheap, as an example.
The Everton example is interesting, they did spend and their wages are not 10K a week. Fellani though was brought with the incoming money, wasn’t he (Rodwell) ?, with the Milner we got Ireland … it is the choices made that was the difference.
Felliani was at Everton before Rodwell broke into the first team, jesus.
they stopped spending 🙂 i mean they spent alot less then they used 2 do. but they still continued 2 spend on wages, villa totally ripped up a squad of players paid low wages all in one season and everton was a gradual decline
Times have changed since then. Bottom line is they won fuck all when even teams like Swansea, Portsmouth and small Heath won a trophy ffs
on the whole asset stripping thing.
Lerner has spent money on infrastructure and commercial deals that add to our balance sheet in terms of assest.
whereas a young promising footballer in his prime is an asset its one with an expiration date.
as well as tat, it has to be realised. Ie sold at high profit.
I count young, milner and dowining that would fall under that category.
compare us to other clubs compare the spending on infrastructure( training grounds, stadium/facilities commercial exansion investment etc and their relative sales of their top players ..
it doens’t really come near the financial process of “asset stripping” for me
I think that term is being bandied about but its not accurate.
So be it nath, get it? No? Thought not.
could u expand on wot i don’t get
the fickle thing is a tough one especially in todays game with todays fans, hering arsenal fans yesterday for example(not all arsenal fans btw)saying get rid of wenger(again!)is just embarrassing.
but fans, especially our long suffering home fans have every right to complain, what we are seeing season in and out for the last few seasons is really, really poor and unacceptable.
unacceptable but understandable considering we are playing in the premiership with a championship squad and money(and by that I mean a mid table championship squad).
but shouting lambert out and learner out every time we loose is equally ridiculous, we know what it is we are trying to do and its a long game not a quick fix and seriously who the hell do we think we’d get in to get our squad to play better than they are now?
west brom sacking clark doesn’t seem to be doing them any favours at the moment does it? and our so called competiors that some so often allude to the fact of how they are streets ahead of us, Southampton, spent and wasted a fortune this season, their 20mil marquee signing Osvaldo is out on loan altready. swans have been utter shite, mediocre at best, sacked manager and everton, playing well but 3 of their most important 1st team players are loans and probably on big wages considering they play for barca, man city and Chelsea. spurs spent 120mil+ and were tipped for the title in the summer, currently struggling to stay in touch with the top four and sacked the manager. I could go on but you get the picture.
I do think we are a couple of players away from a decent squad and ethic but I fear more of the same in the summer(if we stay up)more of everything on the cheap although learner will have to do something as season ticket sales will be well down, very few are going to invest in one unless something major happens closed season.
Bent was just another quality player destroyed by poor managers at Villa. This list is endless.
Unfortunately Terry Lambert stays and so does Lerner.UTV
I never agreed with the treatment of bent but it has to be said he has failed to shine at Fulham, in fact he has failed to get in to the starting 11 almost every game which says a lot.
I wanted lambert gone before the window opened and then shut, i felt we could get in a manager who would brinfg in a few players and give the place a lift. This did not happen, i now see no point in sacking a manager a nd then replacing him with someone who does not know the players and has not or cannot sign anyone. I am not Lamberts biggest fan but i think replacing him at this stage in the season would do more harm than good.
I think i read a stat on twitter from an unreliable source that we have not won a single game when Vlaar has been injured, i am too lazy to google can anyone verify this stat?
We really should have signed a CB and at leat 5 new centre midfielders, our midfield is shocking, I fell for the Delph illusion and lapped up the bullshit but now on closer inspection he is in fact a terrible player who runs down blind alleys, gives the ball away and beats the same player 4 times before losing the ball. i have also noticed our players are very slow at switching flanks and that not one of our players can make a run in the box to meet a FORWARD pass.
Has Benteke turned up yet the bloke needs to stay on his feet and we need to stop hoofing it to him so he has his back to goal, the hoof ball happens more when Vlaar is not playing as nobody has confidence in Baker or Clark to pass the ball
5 new centre mids and a CB?
on our budget?
Blimey, that would have been pushing the boat out mate.
Most of us would have just liked one decent mid, imo.
As for Delph, he’s not that bad.
In fact he’s been a shining light overall in this season, if you think about it.
Not that that’s saying much.
I jest, i thought Delph was good but i am beginning to have my doubts about him, how many times does he need to beat a player. Nolan outplayed him yesterday, Shelvey outplayed him, as have many others this season.
agreed delph is the best we av , admittedly he was dwelling against hammers but thats life.last time we won without vlaar was pool last season 1,3 i believe just b4 we got hammered 3 games chelsea spuds and wigan
In my view this window we needed one big signing (hate loans but Betrand OK) to show future intent, whether a CB, a CM or whatever a signing for proper cash and proper wages. A signing to lift the club.
Instead we got Holt, Betrand on loan and tried all window for Hoolahan and failed
The signal was clear enough then
Totally agree (and no I’m not sucking proverbial BWS, it’s just correct, imo).
It’s why the £40 mill in the summer really makes me laugh.
As much as I’d love it, I really can’t see it happening.
Lerner has set his stall out and if he isn’t looking to sell (which I don’t really believe he is, contrary to Ian’s opinion, BWS ;-)) we’re just going to see more of the same.
With most of the extra £30 mill a season stuck in his arse pocket.
Question is, is it Lambert or Lerner?
Is Lambert the type of manager like O’Neill or Redknapp who will spend every penny they can, cry about wanting more and spending even when they don’t need too, or is he Wenger? Money’s there, but he won’t spend it unless he finds a player he can control completely and won’t question his theories or tactics?
Your average fan will forgive any signing or manager/chairman if the performances, effort or results are good.
Next season i can see a huge dip in season ticket sales, i have sat in three stands this season at VP and the general feeling is not great. Project or no project if you dont entertain you dont get an audience as people will not want to waste money and time on something that is just dire to watch.
Where i sat on Saturday i could hear a few saying they are not renewing next year unless Lambert is gone or we buy proven quality, these are not fickle fans but fans sick of watching shit football and i bet they are not the only ones feeling like this
The only decision is do you go to Villa Park or not. Neither going nor staying away is wrong, but ultimately the only thing that will have any impact on Lerner’s decision making is if the attendance levels drop. With McLeish we were in the high 20ks, with Lambert there are still 35k turning up.
agreed guys.
the good attendences this season are solely down to pre season season tickets sales which were bought on the wave of optimism following the run in and keeping hold of tekkers, with out this id say by now we’d be seeing more like the mid/low 20k’s.
no improvement and/or spending in the summer will see sales drop significantly so I feel we will see some spending if for that reason only, either that or lambert being fired.
personally if it was the end of the season now and I had the ability to get to home games regularly I would not be buying a season ticket and I don’t think anyone would blame me?
living in the north west I could’ve gone to the recent games at everton and Liverpool, I chose not to, the same with trip to brum to see home games, I haven’t been since everton and I doubt I will make another this season.
an away trip even relatively locally for me and home games always cost me in excess of £100 with ticket price, travel and spends, this is a significant portion of my disposable income. when I see learner is not parting with anything near a significant portion of his disposable income to support the club he owns and supposedly cares for I feel why the fuck should I?
if he honestly thought he was going to make money from owning a PL club he must have rocks in his head.
I understand and support the philosophy but we are too extreme, we should have invested more significantly in the summer and in jan, the excuses from the top at villa are just getting boring and insulting.
TJ said in the article we’ve spent 40mil on 10/11 players(I think its more than 10/11)if that is anywhere near correct that puts our spending as an average of less than 4mil per player in the English premier league!.
I think that says it all
I agree with you there NM. I’m also around £100 to £150 away for each home game and with the odds heavily stacked towards a loss from negative or clueless tactics and no possession, I can’t afford to take off a whole day and spend that much money. Away matches are a different matter, I’m off to see a couple more this season. And at least Lerner doesn’t get the extra attendance figure.
Agree NM as u rightly say when STs are up for renewal we will start being linked with good players wev fuck all hope of getting. Then when they his 20,000 STs bought by 20,000 gullible muppets the truth starts coming out as we get one shite million pound signing after another with £10m tops spent. Benteke will be gone next season as well and lamberk will see only a fraction of that money if he’s lucky
That’s a great post mate and if it wasn’t too similar to the topic in hand, I’d have put that up as an article in it’s own right.
The only part where I disagree, is where you think he isn’t/was never looking to make money.
Many will probably disagree, but I think that’s exactly what he wants to do.
And with the extra £30 mill a year that I (boringly) keep going on about, it’s why he won’t sell, imo.
He can give us an extra £15 mill spends over and above the average £20 mill, but he’ll still be pocketing £15 mill.
Which is on top of any savings we’re already making.
Slight aside, but FFP?
You have to qualify for something for that to kick in and we ain’t nowhere near, imo.
Lerner just looks at the club from an accounts point of view now, he doesn’t want cup runs as they are too risky with injuries, and wants to stay in the middle of the table reaping the sky money, he gets all his direction and news from Faulkner who just looks at our position in the table which is an improvement from this time last year…. The £40m in the summer just will not happen (but i am sure we will be linked at season ticket renewal time), its said but as fans I just think we are going to have to live with this mediocracy for the foreseeable !!