Forest – Villa; Hopeful again

So we beat Brentford, beat Southampton and won in Europe again to make it three wins on the trot. Can we make it four?

Just as it frankly amazes me that we’re sixth in the league, given our recent form, it amazes me even more that Forest are actually a place higher. I’m sure that says something about the Premier league this season, but I’m not sure what. It’s probably that most teams have been pretty rubbish.

I really ought to be confident about this game, but I’m not quite there yet. I know results show that we look like we’ve turned the corner and got through a rough patch, yet I have a feeling that the Champion’s league is taking more and more out of the squad. We so badly need to automatically qualify and by-pass that next stage so the lads have a couple of months away from Europe, but then of course, we might be fighting on the FA cup front.

Squad news and Ollie Watkins will have a late assessment. I’m not sure it matters much, because I think Unai will start Jhon Duran, who surely deserves a start? It would however be nice to see Ollie on the bench if we require an option. Jacob Ramsey and Leon Bailey’s fitness hasn’t been updated, so the assumption is nothing has changed and they won’t feature.

Forest don’t have many problems, but Alex Moreno isn’t eligible, which is probably a bit of a loss for them, as he’s apparently been very good, while Ibrahim Sangare and Danilo are both long term injured.

Forest have a very similar record to us this season. They’re on the same points, but have a better goal difference. Not much, but they concede less and score more at the same time. Given that we’ve conceded 23 in 15 games, it’s really not hard to see where our problem lies. It’s in the defence and we need a right back so Konsa can return to by far his best position. But we’ve been saying that for ages and I have a feeling it won’t be addressed in the upcoming window either. Given our position in the CL and even the Prem, considering we’ve been so poor, it’s hard to criticise Emery though, I suppose.

I certainly didn’t expect us to be doing so well in Europe.

All this begs the question of if we don’t buy a right back, what position will be strengthened? Not long until we find out, but you’d expect we’ll get at least one player in.

This seems to me to be a game all about strikers. Duran is going to start, it’s just been confirmed, as is Mings, who will surely be wanted in trying to keep a lid on Chris Wood, who’s on a roll.

This game looks drawish to me and I’m going for a 1-1, which I’d be okay with.

UTV!

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  1. Tom
    Tom December 15, 2024 at 10:37 am . Reply

    It’s no coincidence is it. Villa get shafted by FFFP (extra F intended) and out smaller and slightly less talented squad (Dougie for Onana, Diaby for Philogene) has inevitably cost us. Chelsea on the other hand, spend what the like , fudge to rules at every possible opportunity and have 2 quality starting 11s. How is that fair? Teams that wish to expand within a solid business plan should be aloud the opportunity to do so. The dream for any team in this country should be to one day go all the way! That’s what makes our game so special. Sometimes a little wise investment or heavy investment is exactly what a club needs to get it off the ground. FFP simply doesn’t allow for it.

  2. 1874 was a good year
    1874 was a good year December 15, 2024 at 11:51 am . Reply

    Is the famed ‘CL hangover’ real?
    Well yesterday I watched a team, after having a close game away and winning 3-2 in the week, struggle against a mid-table team and let three goals in. They also scored three to earn a draw but, as the team were Real Madrid, no-one seemed very happy about it. TBH they were very lucky to get the draw as their opponents, Rayo Vallecano, ran rings around them at times.
    We lost narrowly and should have had a penalty against an in form side. Anyway, it is what it is and we’re still in sixth (for now). The team now gets a whole week off so lets see what they can do against a struggling Citeh after a bit of a rest.

  3. Holte
    Holte December 15, 2024 at 2:28 pm . Reply

    I agree with BFR and think we will be lucky to get just a point from Citeh and Newcastle. If that does happen then we will be back to mid table. While we are all enjoying the CL campaign, it’s looking likely we won’t be playing in Europe next season, unless we manage a Europa or conference spot and then we are back to playing on Thursday nights again.
    It’s a fact that FFP/PSR rules are holding us back but at the same time I don’t think club owners should be able to spend what they want. If that were the case then Newcastle, Citeh and Chelsea would totally dominate as we are a million miles away from their spending power.
    I hope in January that Monchi will prove his worth and get top drawer signings in the positions we need. We all agree on the RB and I hope he will offload Philogene whilst he still has some value and get a RW who has speed and the ability to go past players and cross a decent ball. A number 10 to challenge Rogers would be a bonus. If all that happens and we can get Ramsey fit and back to his best then who knows what the second half of the season will bring.

  4. The Ron Saunders Stand
    The Ron Saunders Stand December 15, 2024 at 3:35 pm . Reply

    Watching the Palace game and although Guéhi is on everyone’s wish list it’s Lacroix who’s impressed me

    1. 1874 was a good year
      1874 was a good year December 15, 2024 at 4:03 pm . Reply

      I would have bet on Brighton winning and going ahead of us. With Liverpool and Arsenal only drawing at home I feel it could be quite a strange season with any team capable of winning any game.

      1. The Ron Saunders Stand
        The Ron Saunders Stand December 15, 2024 at 4:15 pm . Reply

        It is a strange season.
        It appears the passing for passing sake has had it’s day?
        I read somewhere the same is happening across Europe, the team with the highest percentage of possession ain’t winning.
        Oh well every dog has it’s day

    2. BFR
      BFR December 16, 2024 at 7:39 am . Reply

      My thoughts after I saw him at VP.

  5. 1874 was a good year
    1874 was a good year December 15, 2024 at 6:33 pm . Reply

    Manc derby was a dreadful game, low quality from both teams. Diallo was the only decent player and he decided the game. Really can’t see why we can’t get something from the Citeh game.

    1. BFR
      BFR December 16, 2024 at 7:40 am . Reply

      Because it’s Villa and they’re struggling. Pep will be relieved…

  6. Bum Bum
    Bum Bum December 15, 2024 at 7:10 pm . Reply

    Citeh on a dreadful run. Will we oblige them next week, or rub salt into their wounds?

    1. BFR
      BFR December 16, 2024 at 7:40 am . Reply

      The latter.

    2. BFR
      BFR December 16, 2024 at 7:41 am . Reply

      I mean the former. 🤣

  7. The Ron Saunders Stand
    The Ron Saunders Stand December 15, 2024 at 7:41 pm . Reply

    Awful game.
    Man City never looked likely to create everything ( their goal was from a deflected set piece) and Utd looked like a championship side,
    As for next week’s match that result wil have absolutely destroyed their confidence, so great time to play them.
    And imo it’s pace that kills them, there’s no legs in that aging City side.
    Play walking football and we’ll struggle.

    1. The Ron Saunders Stand
      The Ron Saunders Stand December 15, 2024 at 7:43 pm . Reply

      *anything*

    2. BFR
      BFR December 16, 2024 at 7:42 am . Reply

      Exactly. We need to go for the throat. Wounded animal and all that…

  8. BFR
    BFR December 16, 2024 at 7:49 am . Reply

    Need a Hammers win tonight but unlikely. It’s so so tight. United down in 13th only 3 points behind us. 2 or 3 poor results and we’ll be in the bottom half. 2 or 3 good ones and it’s top 4 going into the New Year, which would be brilliant. 3 out of next 4 games are at home. Need a big effort up to Leicester on the 4th. Should be aiming for 9 points minimum, but I just can’t see it.

  9. Bill Pearson
    Bill Pearson December 16, 2024 at 12:44 pm . Reply

    BFR. I’ve had a word with my next-door Hammer supporter and threatened him, that his team got to win or no more house parties. Got him worried and told him I’m not cutting his grass either.

  10. OLL again
    OLL again December 16, 2024 at 2:57 pm . Reply

    I see we are being ‘offered’ Rashford this morning. We could use a player of his ability to operate wide and still score, but the baggage that comes with him is too toxic to accept. Maybe it is just playing for the United circus, but he looks to me like somebody suffering from depression.

    1. The Ron Saunders Stand
      The Ron Saunders Stand December 16, 2024 at 3:32 pm . Reply

      I bet we are, with him on a wage of £325k per week and contracted until 2028 (allegedly).

      1. BFR
        BFR December 16, 2024 at 4:01 pm . Reply

        Agree with OLL about the depression point. His demeanor on the pitch reminds me of a certain Stanley Victor – without the anger.

    2. DSVilla
      DSVilla December 16, 2024 at 8:56 pm . Reply

      There seems to be a question over Rashfords “life style”. I’m not sure what that means but it doesn’t suggest depression is the issue.

      Rashford needs a new start but he’s a risk and hugely expensive so I don’t think Villa will be in for him.

      1. The Ron Saunders Stand
        The Ron Saunders Stand December 17, 2024 at 12:00 am . Reply

        With regards to the guard changing with style of football, Lazio got smashed 0-6 by Inter tonight, Lazio had 51.6% of possession compared to Inters 48.4%.
        Also Lazio had more passes in every department except strangely less long ball passes.
        The more that things change, the more they stay the same?

        1. BFR
          BFR December 17, 2024 at 11:33 am . Reply

          Enter, Fat Sam…

          1. The Ron Saunders Stand
            The Ron Saunders Stand December 17, 2024 at 2:09 pm . Reply

            BFR a question matey…
            Do think Pep’s tactics make football more or less entertaining ?

            1. BFR
              BFR December 17, 2024 at 7:49 pm . Reply

              Good question. When they were good, they were very, very good. Pre Haaland, before De Bruyne’s injuries started, they were exceptional. Smashing Watford in the Cup Final a case in point. Lately, not so much. The CL win a clear snapshot of that perspective. Pep has fallen into the trap Fergie refused to fall into. He’s kept his players too long. Seeing Gundogan in midfield after he left suggests decline, in my view.

              1. BFR
                BFR December 17, 2024 at 8:02 pm .

                Here’s more evidence that Pep isn’t the football God he’s cracked up to be:
                https://x.com/Lea_EFC/status/1869086859491680555

          2. Bum Bum
            Bum Bum December 17, 2024 at 6:21 pm . Reply

            For Lazio?

            1. BFR
              BFR December 17, 2024 at 7:55 pm . Reply

              Generally, Bum Bum. If the long ball is back, he’s your man – loves a diagonal ball does the big fella. A ‘long pass’, the late Graham Taylor called it. Personally, if it reaps rewards – namely goals – I have no issue with it whatsoever. My favourite – which I’ve posted on here in the past in YouTube form, is Les Sealey launching a ball towards the Holte End in December 1991 – big Cyrille Regis gets the flick-on, and Tony Daley – without breaking stride – full volleys the ball with his left foot into the top corner past a flailing Tony Coton. Etched in my memory and I could watch that all day long. And that’s one of many examples.
              Favourite long-ball goals, anyone? We could have a goal of the century competition, Badger…

  11. BFR
    BFR December 17, 2024 at 11:34 am . Reply

    Bournemouth – 29 goal attempts and yet another late goal. Impressed.

  12. Bill Pearson
    Bill Pearson December 17, 2024 at 5:54 pm . Reply

    The West Ham game is earmarked as 150 Anniversary, is that not money grabbing £sd from fans? I thought it was Celtic or am I wrong? Well watched the Bournemouth West Ham poor game in my eyes and a draw was the right outcome. The league looking rather tight for the top 4, so many contestants could be in at the end.

    1. Holte
      Holte December 17, 2024 at 6:29 pm . Reply

      I just watched the trailer video Bill for the 150th anniversary and there’s a little rip off from M&S in there!
      Emery hasn’t shown the slightest interest in the domestic cups so far, so it will be interesting to see if there’s pressure to win the game against West Ham.

  13. Holte
    Holte December 17, 2024 at 6:19 pm . Reply

    The top 4 will be Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and Citeh. Forest didn’t impress me much apart from the last 10 minutes when we gifted them the 3 points. Citeh will get better, probably starting on Saturday with Villa the perfect team to play to turn fortunes around. Spurs and Man Utd are too inconsistent while Newcastle rely heavily on home form. If 5th place gets Champions League then we need to get 2 or 3 signings in rapidly in January so we can have a strong second half of the season.

  14. Gerry Kiddy
    Gerry Kiddy December 17, 2024 at 6:57 pm . Reply

    Under 21s playing Blackpool away at 1900hrs. Game on Sky Sports +.

  15. Bill Pearson
    Bill Pearson December 17, 2024 at 8:45 pm . Reply

    1-1 84th minutes. Penalties to follow

  16. Gerry Kiddy
    Gerry Kiddy December 17, 2024 at 9:14 pm . Reply

    Gone to penalties and its 13-12 to Villa neither team has missed.

    13-13

  17. Gerry Kiddy
    Gerry Kiddy December 17, 2024 at 9:17 pm . Reply

    15-15

  18. Bill Pearson
    Bill Pearson December 17, 2024 at 9:21 pm . Reply

    Sudden death now Villa 8-8
    9-9
    Goalkeepers now. 10-10
    11-11
    12-12
    13-13
    14-14
    15-15
    16-16
    17-17
    18- Villa won

  19. Gerry Kiddy
    Gerry Kiddy December 17, 2024 at 9:22 pm . Reply

    18-17 and its………………………………………………….Villa win

    Bradford City next

  20. Gerry Kiddy
    Gerry Kiddy December 17, 2024 at 9:23 pm . Reply

    Sorry Bill, posts crossed. You must have been paying attention

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