Long time readers will know how much I hate loans, to my core.
First, I believe it is a cheat, like at Everton having players they can never afford to have brought or pay the wages.
Second, I believe it is a total sign of failure of a club. Loans are needed because generally a club is in trouble and the summer signings failed, what kind of faith is that in Lambert ?
Third, all this does is to lower the wage bill at another club.
I will not talk of the two players in depth because it is irrelevant to me who the players are, i never want to see ONE SINGLE LOAN player in a Villa shirt. If we need the player then just go out and buy them, we HAVE THE CASH.
Let me repeat that ….
We have the CASH to buy Holt and Betrand
It is as simple as that. Some say a loan deal is best in case we go down, well if we go down with these players they were not good enough, surely you have to have faith in the manager to buy ?
So I see this as a lack in faith in Lambert to give him the cash and if that is the cash why is he still in the job ?
Wasn’t the plan to build for the future, how do loans do that ? for me they do not.
However think about this ….
If we are about to get taken over then any new owner would be daft to keep Lambert. Is this a sign that Lambert only has a short term future anyway ?
Come on guys, a loan is absolutely normal in these days. And all about football isn´t logical and can´t be planned on table. You have players who are sensational with one club and a complete disaster with another one. Hundreds of reason for that. Thousands of wrong transfers done in the past, but nobody wanted to do so. But it happens.
But first Ian, some points to your post: “you hate loans”, so there will be no fair discussions about it.
“Its a cheat because others can´t afford their loan players” – wrong, because Everton pays the wages of Barry.
“its a sign of total failure”: why?? you have some weak positions in your team, you have injuries, others out of form, maybe a possible transfer target but you don´t know how he would cope in your team. All possibilities to make a loan transfer. Maybe your loanee was injured before (I read Bertrand was), so you are not sure how he will do. Many reason justify such business. And yes, its all about results – why not strengthening the whole team with one or two loanees and to improve the level of performances.
“To lower the wage bill of the other club”: total rubbish and not relevant. Its not the reason why Chelsea are loaning out, they want to give a young player playing time. And we need a left back. So where´s the problem.
In an ideal world, every transfer you do will be a success and nobody is injured. That´s not happening. The only time I have experienced such a scenario was 1980 when we won The Big One.
For my feeling all this constructions are a little bit too much. PL has lost it – take over in the near future – loanees are the proof for it. Maybe but maybe not.
I am happy that we have some hope to improve our team and performances, which makes me much more happier if it does.
Disagree joty Barry is a Goan loan Bertrand isn’t. With Barry we would have a chance to keep him for 2-3 years with Bertrand he will be off to Chelsea. I’m sick of us becoming a selling club and finishing club for sky 4. Top teams don’t sign players on loan. We can’t even hold onto our only decent prospect in our history in cowley instead he will be wearing an arsenal top. The club is now a pathetic shadow of its former self it’s a local and national joke. Until lerner goes and I’m still convinced it will be years then this is it.
We’ve been a selling club for 15 years – Don’t tell me you’ve been this miserable for that long. Ha
Wev been a selling club since we sold andy gray to wolves in the 70s the difference was sir Ron built an even better squad of players with the money that won us the league and European cup. If we sell Benteke can you see lamberk doing that not a chance in hell. From a premier pov tge selling club started when southgate, eughio and boeting preferred middles boro ffs and then on to a new level which confirmed our downfall and the beginning of the end IMO when we sold Yorke. Wev never really recovered from that IMO and sent out a loud message to tge sky four that Aston villa no longer want to compete. We improved in the early days of Lerner but still needed that world class player to take us into tge top 4. Lerner bottled it and so did MON.
ooha, you are right but the club is what it is atm. We are a selling club and we are a pathetic shadow. And we are and were in a relegation fight the last few years.
And if some loan deals give us better performances and results it will do me good.
We shouldn´t moan about everything. When the club doesn´t bring in new players we moan about that and when they bring in new ones we moan too. When we get young players we moan about inexperience and when we get older ones than we moan about players who are finished.
The era of splash the cash which we had about 3 or 4 years ago are over. We have to accept our current situation. Maybe it will change but until this time will come I try to be a little bit optimistic.
I can’t accept it joty if lerner can’t take us forward then fair enough. But sell us to someone who can
These loans just show Lamberts incompetence in the transfer market. He has two left backs available now (both his signings) and neither are good enough. He also has 5 strikers but still feels the need to bring in another one. Helenius and Bowery? Why did we sign them?
I think Bertrand is a good player and I hope we end up getting him on a permanent deal but if we do that we will be his third attempt at signing a left back in 2 years!
What is more worrying is our major issues (central defence and midfield) ahave not been addressed. I am worried about tomorrows game, The way Liverpool are playing, I can see us getting hammered again.
No shock tonight that James Nursey (sucks up to Lerner) says that no perm deal attached, course not. Remember those who claimed we had a perm deal with Walker … no chance.
So yes if he plays well some fans will get their hopes up only to find he wants 40K a week and deal dies …
The fans are thinking far too short term with all this and not looking at the wider picture and that is what the club wants.
Ian, we can´t change it so let´s accept it. Everybody can turn his back to the club but I am not capable of doing it. I love this club and are deeply disappointed about the current situation but I try to be supportive and optimistic.
What would have fans wrote in such blogs back in the 70´s when we were playing in 3rd division. Maybe it will change.
Just accept it!!!!!!!!!! FFS! How spineless can u get!
they had hope then though … it could not get lower and we rose …
Where is the hope now ?
Back then players did move upwards but the names of that era stuck with us, Chico, Graydon, Lochead etc
Where is that now ?
Spot on Ian it’s just a stop gap signing with no risk to appease the peasants! Lerner knows he will go bk to Chelsea and the PR spin will be ” we tried our best to sign him but he is a Chelsea player and wants to sit in the bench on £80k a week when we can only afford £80 per week”,
“lets accept it” …….ffs if my mrs lied to me as much as this football club she would be shown the door…… Off topic, we have now been ORDERED to pay up to 1.2m for Jed Steer another fantastic piece of business mr faulkner and mr lamberk…. You two really don’t know what you are doing…..Fucking chuckle brothers of football..
Saddened you do KNOW to reach the FULL payment he HAS to win an England Cap…
WTF is wrong with that deal in that scenario.. a donkey won’t get an England Call Up will he!!??
If your going to have a rant at least make it constructive FFS..
And if he did make an England cap, that means he’s good enough to be out the likes of Hart and Forster, meaning we paid 1.2m for an England international meaning we can get a hugely inflated price for him if he was sold, being English and all. 😉
lets judge these moves at the end of the season…..a wise man said, so lets just see.
No Wonder Villa have no money,£ 450.000 to pay Norwich now raising to £1.120.000 for Steer compensation, does anyone at Villa know how to run a foot ball club, that Bertrand don’t look a bad player just have to see how we go, no chance of signing a regular player now , ho happy days. Still think loan players are unsafe to any team, but anything is better than nothing knowing what we have.
Presumably Holt has been brought in to cover Kozak who is out for the rest of the season. Why would you buy a player in this sort of situation when you know his services will no longer be required in a few months time? As for Bertrand, I can only imagine Lambert has woken up to fact that Bennett and Luna are both liabilities and he therefore needed emergency cover until a full time signing can be brought in during the summer. Maybe he wanted to buy him but Chelsea wouldn’t sell? Either way, if they’re good enough, I don’t care whether we’ve bought them or borrowed them, hopefully their quality will rub off on the rest of the team.
What some are saying is we lost one forward out of 5 and 3 are Lambert’s buys and thus the failure to get cover lies with Lambert.
should say to get cover in the team, or was it wasted £1M on Bowery when Wells went for £1.5M
I like your fire Robo.
Jack Grealish extends stay at Notts Cty after all……..
So Tonev will get the odd start on the left instead of Grealish, says it all.
JOTY mate in the70s we had hope and a dream and that dream came true.What we have now is no hope or dream just a buncj=h of arseholes running the club into the ground and unless change comes soon we will not have a club to support only what is written in history books.
Jaymo, no links to streams.
You know the score and we just can’t allow them mate.
Anyway, I did give a one-off link to the best site I know last night.
If you give permission to hand your email out to anyone who wants it, I will, using the addy you use on here.
Completely understand Badger, hence the reason I asked first. If you can provide my email address to Bill Pearson and Langford I’ll happily send them the info, likewise, if you need it drop me a line.
Cheers
Jaymo
ok mate, sorting it now
cheers pal
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We should probably put that on the home page somewhere, tbh.
just looked at news now and it says villa may bid 8m for ravel morrison from west ham
UTV
half decent player, but not worth anywhere near £8m, oh but wait a minute we do have Paul Faulkner doing our negotiations…. bugger it give em £15m
He’s still got a lot of developing to do and if we could do a deal for say 5mil then go for it but 8 is little high.
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