Long time readers will know how much I hate loans, to my core.
First, I believe it is a cheat, like at Everton having players they can never afford to have brought or pay the wages.
Second, I believe it is a total sign of failure of a club. Loans are needed because generally a club is in trouble and the summer signings failed, what kind of faith is that in Lambert ?
Third, all this does is to lower the wage bill at another club.
I will not talk of the two players in depth because it is irrelevant to me who the players are, i never want to see ONE SINGLE LOAN player in a Villa shirt. If we need the player then just go out and buy them, we HAVE THE CASH.
Let me repeat that ….
We have the CASH to buy Holt and Betrand
It is as simple as that. Some say a loan deal is best in case we go down, well if we go down with these players they were not good enough, surely you have to have faith in the manager to buy ?
So I see this as a lack in faith in Lambert to give him the cash and if that is the cash why is he still in the job ?
Wasn’t the plan to build for the future, how do loans do that ? for me they do not.
However think about this ….
If we are about to get taken over then any new owner would be daft to keep Lambert. Is this a sign that Lambert only has a short term future anyway ?
Ian i feel the exact same as much as in pleased to see reinforcements left back in particular i hate loan deals. Chelsea will simply take back their player if he does well and if he doesn’t perform then he was of the wage bill for 6 months. Remeber Kyle walker and how we pretty much sent back the complete package right back and left us looking for ra replacement again. I would rather see this transition come into effect now and start buying players slowly that we know are 1st teamers. This is not how a transition works in my opinions its simply fire fighting.
IIRC Walker played well for us and it’s unlikely we would have taken him on loan had we not needed to.
No its not a sign Lambert has a short term future! Its a sign that yes we are that shit! For me its a good signing finally because our left side is shit and he can play as a LB or LW and is better than anybody we have in those positions, and if he does well maybe we will buy him hopefully. But come on randy and Lambert get a fuckin midfielder in with a hint of creativity please please please a number 10 is the player we have most needed for years but still fail to get one! And we should buy them not just a quick fix loan! I agree with u about loans i just don’t like them but with the way the team is playing now im happy with any quality comin into the team in any way possible.
Personally I couldn’t give a shit about Loans, if they help keep us in the prem this year as we are not safe no matter what some people think then that’s all I care about. Then in the summer I hope to god we finally see the back of Hutton, Given, Bent, nzogbia? and Fonz so we can have a go at signing some actual quality players on higher wages.
Ian…I am, generally speaking with you on loans. I would like to see them abolished full stop! But given that it appears that Randy is not providing Lambert with funds if it helps us for a few months so be it. Not to take loans would also put us at a disadvantage because other clubs will be doing it. Moreover, some of those clubs will be, like us, be embroiled in a fight for PL survival. Its imperative that we stay up as I am not convinced that we would find it easy to get back up. So, in, short, I believe that the loan signings are in Villa’s short time best interests and thats what matters to me!….long term, well thats another debate!
Ian i can see where your coming from mate,loanee’s imo are only tempory.so how can you build on that,yes lerner dig fucking deep because your ideal goal of pl survival is on thin ice chap.
Ian Lambert,s future at VP should be very short indeed the shorter the better IMO and i do agree with you on loans they are just a quick fix to try and save his job.Not going to take the club forward or secure it;s future.
Unfortunately Terry Lerner is right behind Lambert so if I were you I would forget about Lambert going as it is not going to happen UTV
Lerner is so right behind Lambert, they can share a single pair or trousers…
Lol mate 🙂
Loans are a quick fix but this is a very good loan and who knows this may free up all funds to buy a quality mid this window? Probably shows more about lerners intent than lamberts at this stage though
Loans would be ok if they had a right to buy clause, a sort of try before you buy.
If the loans do us some good for the rest of the season then some good will have come out of them.As for loans as it goes I stay on the fence & I wait to see how they go ala Robbie Keane remember him?Bertrand is a good young player I think he will do a good job.As for Holt he will be a CF behind Benteke if he does a good job for Villa then loan or not it can only be good but they both have to do a gd job first.Rumours on a permenantly signing is floating about true or no I don’t know…….UTV
Your dreaming lads,Lambert is in panic mode, the reason he had Holt because he’s worked with him before, Lambert lost the dressing room and thinks he will help to stabilize the team, my take on loans, no you build a team and make it work, sorry he’s not able to do both. He should reverse his method and pay for talented players.
Oh and should that word crop up he’s got no money, well he should not have took it on licking Learners boots.
Lets get rid of Hutton Nzog,Given and Bent off the wage bill and sell Benteke, as Randy wants to buy a new car………Loans Loans Loans how the feck can that have anything to do with building for the future ???
Payday loans as well. We’ll be at Cash Converters next.
Hasn’t Lambert already said there is no money for permanent signings?
Bill.. Did you get that box from ebay?
Not yet but trying t load a free be on computer will do next month.
So…we dont use the loan system and other teams do! They stay up whilst we get relegated!
Thats real rational and logical thinking…NOT
My guess is for one AM to be purchased before window closes!
Prob be more like Kyle Naughton m8 Holt to play behind Benteke
I am not a massive fan of taking on someone elses young players and making them better, Kyle Walker springs to mind.
However if it is a stop gap for an experienced player that is not getting picked or will not and the team are unsure if they want to commit then i see this as a good idea.
i also think loaning in a young player like Bertrand to potentially sign him up is good.
I am pleased with the signing of bertrand but at the same time i agree with the argument you present about loans
I have no problem with this. Bennett hasn’t worked out and has been off injured for some time, with Baker filling in. We can’t afford to lose any of our central defenders, so we need backup at LB. Luna hasn’t worked out, and is strangely not in any way match fit. As for Holt, he’s temporary cover for Kozak. If Luna had worked out and Bennett was his cover then we wouldn’t be taking in a loan player for that position. Likewise if Kozak was fit and healthy we wouldn’t have brought in Holt. Except not even I believe that’s the whole story on Holt. Lambert is reverting to what worked with him at Norwich and Hoolahan and Holt are the two players he thinks can do the job.
Let’s get to the summer and see what happens. These two loanees will help us get there, hopefully.
I still want to see Helenius play before Holt gets to touch the ball though. I have nothing against Holt, at least while he hasn’t given us reason…
I agree with Adams point earlier. I don’t understand the huge drama. It’s a solution to a problem in the short term, loans on the whole make sense. Holt and Bertrand would cost us double than what they are worth just because it’s January. I couldn’t give a fuck if we loaned in an entire first team if it meant we stayed in the Premier league.
Take a step back and get some perspective here. We have problems all over the field at the moment and I’d rather Holt and Bertrand who have been around then putting faith in another permanent Lambert signing. It’s part of football and won’t go away.
The only thing I don’t like about loans is the fact we’re (in the case of bertrand) giving the the lad and ultimately Chelsea experience. There should be stricter conditions in the contract with regards to keeping the player on permanent should he do well, no matter how difficult that might be.
u guys lose me, u really do ~ point we all agree we need players this window, as summer signings are not exactly setting high standards~ for one reason or another
left back has been the focus of every-teams tactics this season and last. so that was a must position 2 strengthen. holt may not be the player mot wanted, but he’s a damn good player, whether u like it or not he’s miles better than helenius, rite now maybe not nxt year but we are needing some1 now
so choice loans or no new faces 2 freshen up and face a tough run in ~ loans help club and players ~ we never usually use this avenue effectively but iam happy both LOANS will help villa survive and being premier nxt year helps attract better players whether its this manager or another
another loan in midfield will do ~
He’s stronger than Helenius but not technically. Plus Helenius can stay on his feet for more than 2 mins.
holt has more about him now thats all ~ helenius needs time and we need results ~ unfair 2 judge any of the new recruits until nxt season , i think a short term loan would help most of the summer ones except bacuna
How can you possibly know Helenius is so technically gifted? Please give examples of times he has displayed this against quality opposition.
??? Jaymo83 are you saying that you cannot display technique against poor opposition? or until you play premiership club you cannot be classed as technical player..?
I don’t follow that logic..
in the mean time check youtube for his goals and games in the danish league..
techinical players are technical players where ever and against whoever they play
It looks like the flames of ambition have dies out amongst you lot now ..
If Betrand is the one we want we should have brought him, Chelsea really do not need him and just done with it. The fact this is only a loan shows for me that the owner wants out and that should be the important thing.
I do not believe before this signing we would go down anyway so I see no logic in either loans at all.
We all laughed at WHU loaning Roger Johnson why the silence now ?
Can’t believe we got another loan deal. If he does well he won’t be staying with us that’s for certain. Club is a joke we knock of the rough edges for chelski then he goes back there a more completed player. Just like walker. Sick to death of it
yeah opoo we should tell chelsea 2 stick the player with 50 premier games and champion league experience were the sun doesn’t shine iam all 4 bennet, lets recall him loans bollocks
nah we are wrong don;t forget and dont be negative that the club are not spending, not speaking to us and basically lying.
after all Loans have always worked out eh ? and he comes from Chelsea also we should be grateful for them being so generous to take their third choice LB off them ..
Next in Scott Dann maybe ? watch how some will say he is great ?
Who next Zigic ?.
football is a game of opinions ~ all wrong except mine of-course but ere is mine betrand is a solid player, defending and going forwards he is class compared 2 wot we own in that position, as 4 3rd choice at chelsea i think there is not much difference between him and cole just experience and cole is on the dowmgrade
Betrand is fine, better than what we have but that is not the point for me. We could get Messi on loan but I would still hate it …
Spot on Ian nothing against the player if we had bought him but loan players for sky 4 helps them maintain a big squad and strengthens their grip. If he does well he will go straight back to Chelsea. We don’t need him anyway yes Luna and bennet are shite but the money spent in his wages coukd of bought an AM.
Wowowowowowow. You were the one crying about loans when Everton was doing it and we weren’t, we’re not a joke of a club because Villa are bringing in loans?
Iv nothing against loans when they are older players like Barry who we have a chance of keeping. But not loan deals where we have to give them back if they are any good. What’s the point in that. Not only can we not compete with the sky 4 but we are being used as their reserve team to finish if their players and pathetically grateful for the scraps. The whole thing stinks
24 players Chelsea have on loan I am being told … all we do by this is to help them keep such a large squad happy and tune up a lot of their players they brought young. In fact most are foreign which is even more desperate for our game.
It’s 1 player that likely won’t make it at Chelsea though… The only other loan player we have is Holt… And we’re not exactly making him better for Wigan, are we? Bertrand is honestly not that good, Walker I understood your complaint, though as a decent RB, they were incredibly hard to find and we were in desperate need, but the way Bertrand’s talked up this move, I think he knows he’s leaving Chelsea and he’s only bettered himself by making early talk about how great Villa is and the fans are amazing.
Exactly so he wants to play himself into the summer shop window at our expense. Typical
But that’s also to play himself into our shop window, not just every other EPL club.
don’t lose sleep over it 🙂
roger who ???
I have never heard of Roger Johnson so I feel fully equipped to not talk about him at all.
Remind us Ian, why did you come back?