I like to think I’m a pretty patient bloke.
I was slow in calling for Lambert out and I was slow calling for Sherwood to go.
And I think the Villa away fans are similar in being patient.
But you know when they turn, the manager is on borrowed time.
And rightfully so, as today’s performance sounded like an utter disgrace.
When you listen to commentators insinuating that the side are a shambles and actually hear words like “mish-mosh” even after the manager makes his changes, you know there’s something majorly wrong.
As fans, we were generally happy with our incoming players in the window.
So how is what on paper, the most potent attacking force in the league (by a mile) made to look so impotent?
And how is the defence made to appear so nervy when it’s faced with the slightest bit of pressure?
These are the questions that I think the away fans are asking and for me, it has to come down to the manager, why is why they were singing “You’re getting sacked in the morning” to RDM.
Let’s look at some facts.
We had one shot on target, yet dominated possession with 60 odd per cent of the game.
Whereas Preston had a boatload.
And the commentators reported that they didn’t think Preston were a very good side.
It just isn’t good enough, because even if you consider we’ve only lost two in eleven games, we’ve still only won one.
And when you hear commentary along the lines of “the players are looking for someone else to do it”, “they don’t have the belief” and worst of all, “they don’t look interested”, you quite simply know it’s all over.
I suspect the away fans have called this exactly right and Dr Xia has to sack RDM quickly.
We have an international break coming up and it would be an ideal time for a new manager to come in and get his ideas across.
Sadly, I think Dr Xia won’t want to be seen as trigger happy and may not have started a backup plan yet.
But if he has, he has to bullet RDM as soon as possible.
Is there anyone who can still defend the manager?
John Percy has said we will be making changes in the next 48hours.
Bringing back shabby???? would be beyond desperation, we have the frontline to do the job but the manager is clueless how to get the best out of them.we have fuckall of a midfield
Thought i had posted this but John Percy is saying RDM to be gone in the next 48 hours. Give us Davind Wagner
Who’s John Percy? Was he in Corrie once
Is that Hudderfield coach?
Yes, his tactics against us were very good. Spoke to Huddersfield fans after the game and they said how good he was
I’d take mick mcarthy I’d love to see him with a decent squad at his disposal.
Half decent * 😀
I’m worried we are being linked with the wally with the brolly by some rags! Please no
Mclaren???? Please no
i think giddy mick mcCarthy would have been the best manager for the job originally. but the owner went down rdm i don’t think he would leave ipswich now during season. but i rate him and he would make the team hard to beat and more dangerous in attack
David Wagner would be ideal if we could prise him away from Huddersfield…..I don’t want to see any of the tired old names like Mclaren or Bruce anywhere near Villa Park
holloway isn’t right, he just settling a old score.having a public dig at the club. i also seen him change his mind, because the club made lots of signings since his prediction. he couldn’t predict what day was tomorrow
as for villa. i am clueless and sad, but i don’t want to see in fights between fans and players again like last season. fans need to be careful not to alienate the fans and manager while they are employed by villa. trust in the owner he will make the right decisions.
we have new players, most are at a big club finally and the pressures are enormous, much more than they expected.fans are much more demanding than their previous clubs. we fans need to put off the bigger picture. (promotion) settle in helping the club win games. because at present we are more likely to leave this division being relegated rather than promoted.
nath
rdm spent 60m and yet yesterday started
bunn mutton cissko and wastewood
over paid for poor quality players ,for a former midfielder you would have thought he would have seen that wastewood gg are not up to it and that alone tells me he is clueless and time is up like every where he has been living on cl win with chelsea when anyone could have done it
money is irrelevant, granted rdm has a wonderful squad in comparison to most clubs in this division. i don’t want to go down the same roads as last season. sacking managers, arguing with players on social networks or exiting or entering team buses. fans support the club and players whoever they be.
bun mutton and wastewood aren’t the only reason we are pants at present. but certain fans make it their full time jobs to abuse these online, posting abuse about these players. its sickening if you ask me. no need for it. most wouldn’t dare say their post or tweets to the players face. another thing its pointless counter productive.
the team seem to me to be getting worse, this is solely down to the confidence, they brought their own confidence to the club but thats ebbed away. just by wearing our shirts representing us. i hear lots of ex pros claiming villa players are as much to blame than the manager. blaming last years squad failed to drum a beat out of them. so wots the answer ????
I think you are right Nath but if you look at the squad as a whole in terms of quality it’s about the same as last year. Would today’s team beat last years team? It would probably be a 10/10 draw!! No manager can do anything about the lack of midfield quality until Jan they will still have to play Bacuna and Westwood as there are no other realistic alternatives. RDM made a huge cock up by focus sing too much on strikers when only one was enough instead of midfield
i think he had also to address the forwards too. it was a massive job oohaha you where correct about the last season squad. wasn’t one part of the team which was weak it was all areas.
he has tried to strengthen all areas, or as you say it, papering over the cracks. he has addressed upfront more, i guess he thought this area was in most need. also forwards win games and players get injured or suspended. so he needed to freshen this up and create competition.
Fair point but imo Gestede is still the best striker we have for this division. We needed another striker but not 3 forwards. It was obvious we needed at least 2 more midfielders but he took a gamble on Gardner who’s not good enough. Also look at the errors of our virtually new defence no manager can legislate for what Gollini has done. Like I say this team would not best last seasons team and last seasons team was arguably the worst in our history. No new manager will make much of an impact till Jan and it will be too late by then
you slag off others for picking on certain players but when you replied to my post you use their nicknames
if aston villa as a club have not youth players better than mutton wastewood their entire youth set up should be scrapped
your wrong (i copied them from your post) as you probably forgot their correct names. you could make your points without turning to name calling but you aren’t alone in doing this. other sites are frustratingly worse. some of it is embarrassing
well i belief we should trust the youth players more than we have. murphy is a example of a youth player that was on form and has bags of potential. players like hutton give 100% but lacks in other areas. but doesn’t deserve grief. when you consider players like gabby and nzog just two players,(from last season squad)i could of named more, that are miles worse than somebody who tries his best every game.
westy is another player who tries and gives his all. ppl under estimate him. yeah he isn’t a player that gonna score many goals or create loads. but he does the stuff ppl miss. in many teams theirs a players like westy mostly undervalued. look at gana he was ripped to bits last season only a few fans on ere rated him. but reading everton fans say hes probably their best player in the opening games. he was definitely not as bad as most said last year, sometimes the the crap around him making him also look pants
“trust in the owner he will make the right decisions.”
The trouble is Nath, many fans thought RDM was the wrong choice.
So can we really trust him to make the right decision?
The Mirror are reporting a crisis meeting today, where RDM is expecting the sack;
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-boss-roberto-di-8961690
Says Bristol manager Johnson is in the frame, fwiw.
As for McClaren, that won’t happen.
Don’t forget Lerner nearly made that mistake, but pulled the plug on him after the fans said a massive NO!
i am sick of saying this, but hey rdm wasn’t my choice too.i had my say on this matter and now its nothing to do with me. until the owner sacks the manager. i am behind him, hopefully he proves me wrong. its not that hes under qualified its more like hes overqualified, the guys won many things in the game. more recent than we have
My choice was Brendan Rogers if not him then Pearson. I’m sick of the same old boring names being bandied about like Bruce, Allardyce etc. I can see Moyes getting the sack so there’s another possibility. Though I’m not sure what the answer is even with Pep in charge I couldn’t see much change until Jan. Then of course we lose players to that Joke of an international tournament which is the only reason I didn’t really want us to sign any Africans up.
its a vicious circle, the players want to win the games, hence when they get ahead they poo their pants and concede. wins boost confidence, but the team haven’t managed to get over the line enough bar just once. draws they know aren’t good enough, it feels like defeats. so the squad are low on confidence AGAIN, doesn’t matter what lvl we play. confidence is massive part of the attributes players need. they have been given instructions by the management, they have listened to a point, but its the getting to the final whistle this is game management, players have to be able to make game decisions. we can’t keep blaming the manager, or players they are not making the mistakes on purpose (i hope)
Sunday Express saying that RDM is sacked, announcemne to be made soon.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/716749/Aston-Villa-news-Roberto-Di-Matteo-sack-Dr-Tony-Xia-takeover-announcement
For me I want Dr. Tony to announce our new manager as someone who won’t have to relocate – Gary Rowett
Rowett has proven nothing. Let’s see where Blues finish at the end of the season before wanting him as our boss.
An unpopular decision it may be but the club are crying out for a Steve Bruce or Mick McCarthy. They both have the experience and knowledge to turn our season around and play to our strengths. Which imo is attack attack attack because with the forwards we have at our disposal we should be out scoring the opposition most weeks.
i would like to know which fans supported the appointment of rdm. because he got many votes on the brum mail vote about the appointment. i can’t recall the numbers, but i am sure it was over 50% voted he was the right guy.
not even his wife voting for him now so where are them voters now as delia would say where are you ……
I never wanted him Nath.
I wanted Pearson, Bruce, McCarthy or Allardyce. Di matteo would struggle to win the Scottish Prem with Celtic!
i agree with you podge.i liked your last comment on bruce and mcCarthy both have my approval. both should have been appointed before rdm as well
Polls can be easily rigged though maybe mail were told to rig it by club to appease fans! Imo of course
Rowett’s a great shout if we’re going to go with one of the new guard.
I just wonder if we might be a step too far for him though at this stage.
I think whoever comes in, being able to handle the severe pressure of running the Villa is a high pre-requisite.
It’s the expectation that makes the job so difficult for managers and players alike, imo.
Which is probably why I lean to a more experienced manager.
that is a very valid point, PRESSURE is Immense at vp ~manager needs to remove the pressure or fear factor from players shoulders, its his job to send out the players without the fear. thats why it has to be proven guy in my eyes.
Bear in mind this is tongue-in-cheek.
If we concede our midfield is rubbish, yet we accept we have what should be a top notch attack, can anyone think of a better manager to play to our strengths than Tim Sherwood?
It isn’t going to happen, but it is a thought.
Sherwoods a big fan of shabbys no thanks
Shabby wouldn’t get a look in Giddy, because we have much better options now
sherwood was a brilliant man to man manager. he was able to get the best out of poor players last time. i believe he could do a job, but some fans wouldn’t agree with this and most would see it as a negative appointment.
sherwoods first thought was to attack, this wasn’t clever, when you had worse players than the opposition. like he had with us in premiership. but he would have probably the best team this time than the opposition, he would attempt to win games, no butts about that. good call but cant see it can you
Problem with Sherwood is he can’t sustain it which is what I said at the beginning. Great manager to come in and win a few games in Te bounce but he’s no tactical ability and will get found out
Maybe get Sherwood till end of season and take it from there wouldn’t be a bad shout
I never wanted RDM as he’s done nothing to deserve the job, but, like any Villa manager I’ve given him the benefit of the doubt but unfortunately he’s shown he is tactically naive, can’t motivate, has no pattern of play, and his game management and use of substitutions are as bad as I’ve seen anywhere.
For those saying give him time I would ask why? There is no sign of any potential, he consistently gets the balance of the team way off despite having a healthily balanced squad and the team hardly looks like clicking anytime soon.
I’ve stated on here before that the 2 managers Dr T was looking at when he joined were RDM and Bruce. RDM was openly discussed by Xia but Bruce wasn’t as he was at Hull at the time. Bruce was desperate for the job and was leaving Hull regardless of the result in the play off final as he felt he’d taken them as far as he could knowing there would be no money to spend upon promotion. He stayed as we went for RDM but then left weeks later anyway.
I really hope he doesn’t hold a grudge after missing out as I really feel he’s ideal for us. I don’t care who he’s managed previously, he’s proved more than capable of getting teams promoted and keeping them in the division, he’s tactically sound and most importantly, IMO, he can motivate which is exactly what this squad need (Anyone remember how fired up the scum were whenever we played them when they were newly promoted?).
Problem with Bruce is he will have to virtually win every game or fans will crucify him like they did with Mckeish. Maybe Xia has learned from that and decided it would alienate supporters
it shouldn’t matter that he managed brum. he could claim temporary insanity. but i totally agree some fans will use this as a excuse to abuse me no matter if he does good or not. this is why mcCarthy was my original choice. but i doubt he will leave ipswich during a campaign.
I would like to think (and hope) most fans would see past that. There were plenty on here, myself included) who said the problem with McLeish was his style of football and lack of success rather than his former club. Also, hopefully the fact that’s it’s been a while since he was at blues and has had a few clubs in between would dampen any furore surrounding his appointment. Jeez, I’d take Gary Rowett right now!
Time will tell but I’ve felt since Sherwood left that Bruce would be a great appointment for us. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves though, RDM’s not gone yet. UTV
So you think Brice plays better football than Mckeish. He is just as bad
Sherwwod, Lambert, Garde, Di Matteo………..They are all managers that should be learning the management trade at either a lower league club or in a different country.
We have tried our hand at almost everything other than employing a manager who has a decent amount of experience and knows the division.
We desperately need a vastly experienced manager.
Bruce or McCarthy all day long for me.
It’s hard to argue against that Jaymo.
Bruce apparently still wants the job.
The only fly in the ointment is that he managed you know who.
I can’t see how that matters myself, as it’s prior performance that’s all-important.
And that’s why McLeish was so unwanted.
For me, if not Rowett then Wagner if we could get him.
Anyway whoever we get will inherit a team short on confidence but potentially good enough for top 6.
Play 4-4-2 with round pegs in round holes and, even if it’s a lucky win first game, we could be on our way.
If the rumours are true then I do take my hat off to Dr. T. for being decisive and getting someone in now. They will now have the international break to try and get things sorted.
If no-one of the right calibre is available I’d put Clarke in charge and see what he could do.
Fingers crossed
UTV
After relegation my secret fear was that we would be like Leeds as well….have a load of 1/2 decent players that couldnt gel or make a mark here but as soon as they leave or are chucked out show that they ARE 1/2 decent…..and also that we get through managers/coaches every other week….and its all happening and all the time we are drifting away down the leagues.
Can someone explain what coaches actually do…non of them move or say a word on the bench and looks like dont turn up for training either…..I dont care who any new manager might have been before …..just want them to do something for us.
Rowett would do for me…he can inspire and organise as well…….what he gets out of those players down the road is a bloody miracle.
That’s what I’m saying Villaaway, no motivation from the bench just sit and take it, di Matteo isn’t the man to do the job, I’ve said it from day one, to many managers coaches going around now with badges that are not of standards to Aston Villa needs owners and sports director are not people to choose good coaches or managers, shit has been brought into Villa over the years and Villa have to pay top money to get them and not one off the dole.
Agreed. The whole squad cost less than a mill didn’t it?
That’s what makes it all the more embarrassing.
Just spoken to a mate of mine from north he saw PNE v Wigan in midweek and thought PNE were terrible. He can’t believe we lost to them
That makes me feel miles better cheers for the info
Matt Law at the DT is now backing up Percy and saying RDM is toast. Apparently Round likes Wagner.
David Wagner is a massive risk, he has no experience except this season at huddersfield. i would rather have a man that has made mistakes elsewhere and knows a thing or two about the premiership and championship.
maybe David Wagner is the real deal, but its would be awful big gamble
I agree sick of taking risks now too costly we need an established manager in this division wagner maybe doing well atm but he’ll be taking on a huge job with a team totally deflated.there’s better out there I’m sure