Takeover dead; I’m not sure what to think

Tim Sherwood has been quoted as saying that he thinks the takeover by a consortium that had been granted exclusivity, has failed.
We knew the period was six weeks and we knew it was up soon, but it seems it’s now passed without an outcome.

Why it’s failed, begs lots of questions, but I would guess that it’s probably because the consortium wouldn’t or couldn’t match certain assurances that I think Randy Lerner would have wanted.
While I’ve been quite critical about our owner, I totally believe that he does have the club’s interests at heart and he wouldn’t leave us in the hands of someone who might asset strip or fail to invest in the club.
So if I am on the right track with my thinking, I’m actually pretty pleased that we aren’t going to be taken over by a load of vultures who don’t give a flying proverbial about the club.

But then, we’re now in limbo again and that’s never good.
The obvious question is what’s Lerner’s thinking going to be with regards to our transfer budget?

If, as has been suggested, Gueye was bought on the assumption that Delph was leaving, meaning the spend was negligible, it would now mean that we’ve spent £9 million or so out of our budget.
And when you consider we’ve averaged a net spend of around £15 million a season (I think???) under Lerner, that doesn’t leave a lot left for this window.
Which, it would seem to me, leaves Lerner with a bit of a dilemma.

You would think Tim Sherwood was promised decent money to spend when he arrived, but I wonder if that promise might have been made on the assumption that the club was going to be sold?
So does Lerner risk upsetting the manager, by telling him the rug has practically been pulled from any further spending or does he temporarily go again?
After all, any investment now can easily be recovered by the extra Sky money that the club will receive at the end of this season.
But that would mean that Lerner is probably committed for yet another year, as I can’t see him laying out serious transfer money without increasing the supposed £150 million asking price for the club, which would only make us more difficult to sell.

The big fear now, is that Sherwood is only allowed to spend another £5 million or so and is expected to bring some of our kids through.
We all know that won’t be enough and we could be in for a torrid time again this season.

Of course, selling Benteke could be Lerner’s saving grace, in that he could probably spend a fair percentage of the fee on transfers and look good, even though he’ll have spent next to nothing in reality.
But this would be a retrograde step in my opinion, even though I know some don’t agree.
We should be looking to keep Benteke and buying better players and not using this situation as a reason for letting Benteke go.

No doubt the next few weeks will tell us all we need to know.

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  1. B6
    B6 July 14, 2015 at 9:00 pm . Reply

    I really couldn’t give a toss if we never get taken over….As long as Lerner has found his passion for the club and continues to invest, more so in the playing side than he has done in recent years.

    1. Ardent Villain
      Ardent Villain July 14, 2015 at 9:28 pm . Reply

      And wasn’t it Sherwood who just a few weeks ago ‘bet’ a journo that there’d be no takeover?

      1. B6
        B6 July 14, 2015 at 9:34 pm . Reply

        Indeed it was AV.

  2. Matt
    Matt July 14, 2015 at 9:00 pm . Reply

    Think alot of it is to do with stat of Chinese stock market

  3. Andrew
    Andrew July 14, 2015 at 9:28 pm . Reply

    Make a lot of people on here happy, Ron Vlaar’s set for talks with Lazio tomorrow over a move. A step up yes, they are in the CL Play-offs.

    1. B6
      B6 July 14, 2015 at 9:33 pm . Reply

      Watch Lazio s insurance premium go through the roof if they sign him!

    2. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath July 15, 2015 at 2:19 am . Reply

      Blimey they must be bonkers. Yet again Italian football is a slower pace so may suit him better

      1. saddened
        saddened July 15, 2015 at 4:59 am . Reply

        Oohah, shall we go halves on his plane ticket…. Cart horse !

        1. GIDDYVILLAN
          GIDDYVILLAN July 15, 2015 at 5:29 am . Reply

          LOL he’d probably be late for his flight or miss it.

        2. OohAhPaulMcGrath
          OohAhPaulMcGrath July 15, 2015 at 12:15 pm . Reply

          I’m happy to morgage house and fly him there myself

    3. billys boots
      billys boots July 15, 2015 at 2:08 pm . Reply

      will he get travel insurance

  4. Hitchens 60
    Hitchens 60 July 14, 2015 at 10:32 pm . Reply

    I think TS’s statement to the press is very interesting and raises a number of questions. The first (and in my view most important) is that it appears that TS is now the mouthpiece for Lerner. Why!

    I believe Lerner et al feel the fans generally have faith (belief) in TS and so it makes sense to make statements in his name. You make your own opinion as to the validity of this view!

    In itself that raises a whole number of new questions; let’s see how they pan out!

    On another note, I’m personally happy that Lerner doesn’t sell out to asset strippers – even if it means we have to struggle on without the level of reinvestment we would all, ideally,
    I’ve to see!

    1. Ardent Villain
      Ardent Villain July 14, 2015 at 10:53 pm . Reply

      Hitch – I’m not sure I’d call Sherwood anyone’s mouthpiece [except his own]!

      From what I’ve seen since Sherwood arrived: [a] he’s obviously a very ‘open’ and frank character whether it’s talking to fans, or journalists, and [b] he does seem to be ‘in-the-loop’ as far as Lerner and Fox are concerned – not one of those managers kept in the dark and told to concentrate on matters to do with the training ground.

      So for once we have a manager who doesn’t avoid talking to the media, and who does seem to know more than most about the off-field activities at the club. Great combination as far as I’m concerned!

      1. DSVilla
        DSVilla July 15, 2015 at 9:02 am . Reply

        Sherwood Lerner’s mouthpiece? Not a chance. Sherwood has a bit of a loose tongue, that’s all. It’s entertaining for the most part but it will from time to time cause problems, and maybe even be his downfall.

  5. Hitchens 60
    Hitchens 60 July 14, 2015 at 10:33 pm . Reply

    * like to see!

  6. DSVilla
    DSVilla July 14, 2015 at 10:35 pm . Reply
  7. pat57
    pat57 July 14, 2015 at 11:13 pm . Reply

    IMHO not too bothered if Lerner doesn’t sell so long as he gives TS enough money to do something next season.

    Seems obvious anyway, if Villa do well then it boosts his chances of selling if that’s what he really wants to do. If he doesn’t want to sell then he must want to see a successful club.

    Seems like with the signings so far we’re at least on our way to a better season. Roll on mid-table mediocrity (for one season at least)

    UTV

    1. Ardent Villain
      Ardent Villain July 14, 2015 at 11:20 pm . Reply

      If ‘mid-table mediocrity’ means that we finish comfortably above the likes of Albion, Stoke, WHam, Newcastle and Swansea, then I’ll happily take that for a season – before moving on up, of course!

  8. Dave67
    Dave67 July 14, 2015 at 11:29 pm . Reply

    Disappointed there is no take over. Hope Sherwood gets the funds he needs for transfers.

  9. Bum Bum
    Bum Bum July 15, 2015 at 9:41 am . Reply

    Sherwood may be in the loop and a bit ‘gobby’ at times but he sure isn’t stupid. He’ll let bits of news sneak out, but never the full picture. I think if Benteke goes, Fox will ensure we get the full amount for him. Would rather The Beast stay in the new look team, IF Sherwood is allowed to invest more than Lambert was. If our net spend is on par with the past three seasons, we’re in trouble again. The stats don’t lie (unless you happen to be QPR).

    1. Bum Bum
      Bum Bum July 15, 2015 at 9:45 am . Reply

      In addition to that, I’m glad Vlaar has gone. How many points did his mistakes cost us last season? Andrew?

      1. DSVilla
        DSVilla July 15, 2015 at 9:50 am . Reply

        It would have been a lot more if he had managed to stay fit, so look on the bright side!

        1. langfordvilla
          langfordvilla July 15, 2015 at 9:55 am . Reply

          ‘Fit and Vlaar’ in the same sentence? 🙂

          1. GIDDYVILLAN
            GIDDYVILLAN July 15, 2015 at 12:50 pm . Reply

            He’ll fail the medical.he’s got one of the dodgiest calves in football.

          2. langfordvilla
            langfordvilla July 15, 2015 at 7:10 pm . Reply

            Didnt know he kept cattle! 🙂

          3. B6
            B6 July 15, 2015 at 7:20 pm . Reply

            You’ve not seen his missus then? 😉

          4. langfordvilla
            langfordvilla July 15, 2015 at 7:46 pm . Reply

            No, was supposed to meet her but she cancelled…said something about having to adjust her old mans truss and surgical stockings 🙂

          5. GIDDYVILLAN
            GIDDYVILLAN July 15, 2015 at 7:57 pm . Reply

            LOL 😀

        2. Bum Bum
          Bum Bum July 15, 2015 at 9:58 am . Reply

          If we can ship in a decent replacement for Cissoko (sp) we may have a tight back line this year…

  10. pat57
    pat57 July 15, 2015 at 10:18 am . Reply

    Still 48 shopping days left to Christmas, sorry until the window closes.

    Lots of time for things to happen. We’ve signed Richards and Gueye, Delph and Gil are staying.and Kozak has already scored. BTW Benteke is still here too.

    Just a couple more quality signings and this could be a very good close season for us.

    Oh and a manager who can talk to the press and actually say something substantial is a big plus as well.

    All in all I’m feeling quite positive so far.

    UTV

  11. OriginalLondonLion
    OriginalLondonLion July 15, 2015 at 10:25 am . Reply

    I still believe the club was never properly up for sale at £150M. For a number of reasons, starting with the fact that it is a snip at that price. The secrecy surrounding the name of two consortia (not including Tony Adams gang which was never a runner) was perhaps because they did not really exist. Third, the arrival of Tom Fox. Tom is a very highly qualified and respected football administrator. I guess half the EPL would be pleased to have him, especially those clubs rebuilding their stadiums. So why would he agree to move to Aston Villa whose owner has put it up for sale, when there must be an odds-on chance a new owner would want his own man in Fox’s job. I can only surmise that what Lerner told him reduced that chance of him needing to find another job to heavily odds against.

    Comings and goings. The club posts pictures very day of the Portugal training. A number of players are not in them – including Benteke So is he hanging around in Britain waiting for his medical check elsewhere?

    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath July 15, 2015 at 12:14 pm . Reply

      Agree ool I think we’ve never been for sale unofficially. I said it last year just a ploy to appease fans and sell season tickets

  12. New Regime
    New Regime July 15, 2015 at 1:26 pm . Reply

    positivve comments from Abonglahor on the OS today about Gil. Looking like he could be part of the set-up next season after all? Great news if so.

  13. ifiruledtheworld
    ifiruledtheworld July 15, 2015 at 2:59 pm . Reply

    Apparently Amavi has finally been convinced to come to us and the deal has moved ever closer, let’s hope we wrap this one up soon, lots of potential.

    1. DSVilla
      DSVilla July 15, 2015 at 3:09 pm . Reply

      He looks the real deal TBF. That would be a big upgrade to LB.

      1. ifiruledtheworld
        ifiruledtheworld July 15, 2015 at 3:54 pm . Reply

        Agreed but need to be patient with him, from all the reports I’ve read he’s only had one real good season. So need to be easy on him if he comes.

      2. pat57
        pat57 July 15, 2015 at 3:55 pm . Reply

        Most vital position for us at the moment. Could be the season’s signing

  14. marvin
    marvin July 15, 2015 at 4:49 pm . Reply

    Sherwood mentioned in the B.Mail that he wants to offload as many as 5-7 players but is having a hard time shifting them out. That is pretty frank and open talk, which is welcoming, but he does know he has to replace these players right?

    1. marvin
      marvin July 15, 2015 at 5:02 pm . Reply

      I would assume his talk of big wage players would refer to… N’Zogbia, Senderos, Cole, Hutton, Richardson, Cissokho +/- Bennett, Tonev, Herd,…

      I could see any of those names leaving.

    2. Andrew
      Andrew July 15, 2015 at 5:28 pm . Reply

      That’s what he wants, he wants to make room to bring in more players. Despite what people think we have a big squad still and need to get rid of players.

  15. GIDDYVILLAN
    GIDDYVILLAN July 15, 2015 at 5:15 pm . Reply

    I’ll be on the road to recovery when CNZ’s fucked off he’s as piss poor as his dress sense.

  16. Ardent Villain
    Ardent Villain July 15, 2015 at 6:06 pm . Reply

    Senderos,Cole, N’zog and Richardson each have 1 year left on their contracts – I don’t imagine it’d be too difficult for the club to pay any of them off if they really aren’t wanted.

    Hutton has 2, Cissoko has 3, so they’re not likely to be going soon.

    As for Tonev and Heard, don’t know about their contracts, but I doubt if either of them are on ‘big money’ [at least not in EPL terms of ‘big money’!]

    1. mike
      mike July 15, 2015 at 6:18 pm . Reply

      Sporting director just been appointed

        1. Andrew
          Andrew July 15, 2015 at 6:22 pm . Reply

          Arsenal’s our feeder club for directors.

        2. saddened
          saddened July 15, 2015 at 6:25 pm . Reply

          This is great news, another experienced footballing brain on the Board… Our bid has been accepted for Amavi, The carthorse is off to Italy….. Why am I suddenly all positive again !

          1. Ardent Villain
            Ardent Villain July 15, 2015 at 7:03 pm . Reply
          2. GIDDYVILLAN
            GIDDYVILLAN July 15, 2015 at 7:26 pm . Reply

            Maybe we’ll get chips Keswick on board next????

  17. DSVilla
    DSVilla July 15, 2015 at 6:50 pm . Reply

    Twitter going nuts about Benteke to Man Utd. The Sun seems the first source so maybe cr@p.

    1. Andrew
      Andrew July 15, 2015 at 6:58 pm . Reply

      Something about him favoring a tweet about him moving there or some crap like that.

    2. ifiruledtheworld
      ifiruledtheworld July 15, 2015 at 6:59 pm . Reply

      Birmingham Mail reporting it too though.

  18. DSVilla
    DSVilla July 15, 2015 at 7:03 pm . Reply

    His agent said no truth in any Man Utd interest a bit earlier today I think.

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