The world cup thread: We know how it is, so keep it footy only

I was in two minds about if I should start this one, but there’s hardly anything else to talk about and we know it’s going to dominate.

I have some very strong political views, but this is not the place and it’s a football site, simple. I’d like to think we can keep it Villa related, but that’s hardly going to happen, given our poor showing.

Let’s lay down a couple of rules, as much as it grieves me to dictate how anyone comments on here;

There can be no racism, as much as anyone might think the locals have called this wrong.
Likewise, there can be no talk of sex.

I’m massively annoyed about this WC, as it seems it’s been taken over by politics.
The fool who is in charge of that corrupt outfit that is FIFA has only made things worse, to my mind.

But I’d discourage any mention of him.

You can mention him if you want, but I’d be more interested to know what you think of Southgate’s squad.

FWIW, I think we’ll be knocked out at the quarters.
I just don’t think our players have the bottle to win anything.

And Argentina will win the cup.
Mainly because they just don’t do politically correct.

Shoot, I’m venturing into what’s not allowed, already.

I appreciate it’s tricky.

UTV.

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  1. Bum Bum
    Bum Bum November 22, 2022 at 12:41 pm . Reply

    Amazing Saudi v Argentina result!!!!! Emi could do absolutely nothing about those 2 goals!
    Maybe the WC starts here!!!???

    1. Ardent Villain
      Ardent Villain November 22, 2022 at 12:44 pm . Reply

      Did SA have all of their outfield players given yellow cards?

  2. badger123
    badger123 November 22, 2022 at 1:14 pm . Reply

    A Yahoo article again mentions some real loud support for the Saudis.
    False or perhaps genuine and the Arabs are really more interested than our media likes to suggest, I wonder?

    2-1 eh? The Argies get their loss out of the way, then go on to win the cup. It makes sense to me anyway 🙂

    That is some result though and why we love the sport, I guess.

    1. Hitchens60
      Hitchens60 November 22, 2022 at 2:30 pm . Reply

      Good teams sometimes start slowly in WC’s / Euros etc. and find their form later in the competition when it really matters.

      England in the T20 WC losing to Ireland then having to win every match to lift the trophy.

      Certainly far too early to write off Argentina or to suggest England will do well just because they beat Iran 6-2

    2. RSS
      RSS November 22, 2022 at 2:35 pm . Reply

      I was about to post how poor the Argies were and how they’d got no chance but decided to google Saudi’s.
      They don’t score many but neither do they concede.
      Tough game, they can only get better.

  3. Bum Bum
    Bum Bum November 22, 2022 at 7:39 pm . Reply

    I must admit, although we now all know what goes on in Qatar, not all Qataris are complicit in this. Should we cut them a bit of slack and enjoy the tournament now lessons seem to have been learned?
    Considering our PMs recent Saudi agreement, few of us have totally clean hands.
    And finally, Come On Australia! Beat the Froggies!!!!!!!

    1. Bum Bum
      Bum Bum November 24, 2022 at 3:07 pm . Reply

      House!!! I hope the Missus bought you a drink????

      On another note, I bought myself a new guitar today!!! 😁

  4. Bum Bum
    Bum Bum November 22, 2022 at 8:43 pm . Reply

    …Hmmm…that ain’t gonna happen now. Shame. Still not impressed by France.

  5. Hitchens60
    Hitchens60 November 23, 2022 at 10:27 am . Reply

    Seen a bit of a couple of games sat at the bar but, like me, no one that interested out here.

    Still the rum’s excellent and not expensive 🙂

    1. Ardent Villain
      Ardent Villain November 23, 2022 at 1:40 pm . Reply

      Rum – are you in the WIndie’s ?

      1. Hitchens60
        Hitchens60 November 23, 2022 at 3:06 pm . Reply

        Yup – our second home – Barbados

        1. RSS
          RSS November 23, 2022 at 4:26 pm . Reply

          Back to the palm trees?
          (-:

        2. Ardent Villain
          Ardent Villain November 23, 2022 at 5:05 pm . Reply

          Nice.
          Imagine the weather is much warmer than here in November!

          1. Hitchens60
            Hitchens60 November 23, 2022 at 6:21 pm . Reply

            Yep definitely warmer but we’ve had lots of rain over the last three weeks – not that I’m bothered – more time in the bar 🙂

  6. Bum Bum
    Bum Bum November 23, 2022 at 8:13 pm . Reply

    Must admit, all the politics aside, I’m starting to enjoy this WC. Japan and Saudi games have been astonishing. Although Spain won well, Costa Rica just gave up. Canada’s finishing in this game is terrible.
    Souness and Keane nearly having a punch up was comical too!!!
    Gotta bloody well go into London so will miss a few games…Grrrrrrrrr…

    1. Ardent Villain
      Ardent Villain November 23, 2022 at 9:04 pm . Reply

      Canada’s play was enetertaining, but some of their long cross-field passes were hilarious – passing to where the intended recipient had been 60 seconds earlier…

      1. Bum Bum
        Bum Bum November 24, 2022 at 8:13 am . Reply

        I know. They looked like an over excited League 2 side at times. Shame as they could have got something from the game. Awful, awful finishing and that penalty was totally wasted.

  7. Big Fat Ron
    Big Fat Ron November 24, 2022 at 4:28 pm . Reply

    OK, I have to get this off my chest, although I’m not sure Badger will allow the post.
    [EDITED]

    You’re right BFR, I won’t allow it.
    It’s not because I agree or disagree with you.
    It’s because this is not the right place and I’ve asked that we stick to the footy as much as is possible.

    Hopefully you’re not offended and you did at least get a couple of hours before I saw it.

  8. badger123
    badger123 November 25, 2022 at 12:12 pm . Reply

    Wales 0-2 Iran.
    Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

    I didn’t watch it, but it sounded like a very decent game. Very tense, apparently.
    As long as you’re not Welsh, of course.

    It’s looking a bit bleak for them, but England need to beat the US first, as a defeat to the Welsh, while doubtful, is always possible!

    1. Ardent Villain
      Ardent Villain November 25, 2022 at 12:25 pm . Reply

      Didn’t watch it, just kept up to date via the online BBC text; sounded like Hennessey lost his head there…

      1. RSS
        RSS November 25, 2022 at 1:01 pm . Reply

        Did a Schumacher mate.

        1. Ardent Villain
          Ardent Villain November 25, 2022 at 1:13 pm . Reply

          Now that I do remember!

          1. RSS
            RSS November 25, 2022 at 3:43 pm . Reply

            He should have done 4 years for assault, disgusting behaviour.
            Loved that French side Rocheteau – Tigana – Platini – Six (remember his cameo performance for us?)
            Great side.

            1. Ardent Villain
              Ardent Villain November 25, 2022 at 4:58 pm . Reply

              That France team was one of the all-time greats, as I remember them.

              1. William Pearson
                William Pearson November 25, 2022 at 7:37 pm .

                Seen them player’s for the last 3 years , they haven’t improved much have they .the way we play we’ll see them with beards next.,

        2. Bum Bum
          Bum Bum November 26, 2022 at 7:36 pm . Reply

          Come On Mexico!!!!!

          Sorry Emi!

          This is the most hilarious game!! So much acting!!!!

          1. RSS
            RSS November 26, 2022 at 8:13 pm . Reply

            “Centuwion, thwow him to the floor.”
            😂😂

    2. RSS
      RSS November 25, 2022 at 12:59 pm . Reply

      Terrible ain’t it mate?
      )-:

      1. Bum Bum
        Bum Bum November 25, 2022 at 6:38 pm . Reply

        The UK duplicitous?…Hmmmmm…

        Anyway, the Wales v Iran game was a corker. To be honest Wales were not good. Iran were cracking. Had some super Iranian friends over the years. Lovely people. Awful govt. Bit like us really!
        Dutch match showed they aren’t much of a threat. Really love Van Gaal though. Hope his treatment is a success.
        Log burner going, cats and dog asleep. Beer in hand. Feet up on the sofa. TV on.
        COME ON ENGERLUND!!!!!!

        1. Ardent Villain
          Ardent Villain November 25, 2022 at 7:31 pm . Reply

          So far it’s been a painful half-hour watching England; zero creativity and suspect at the back.

          1. RSS
            RSS November 25, 2022 at 7:49 pm . Reply

            Normal service has been resumed ☹️

            1. Ardent Villain
              Ardent Villain November 25, 2022 at 8:07 pm . Reply

              “The Southgate Method”

              1. RSS
                RSS November 25, 2022 at 9:03 pm .

                Lol
                Told you they were our bogey team.

          2. William Pearson
            William Pearson November 27, 2022 at 5:36 pm . Reply

            Canada, what a load of Donkeys and to think they get a free start in the next world cup ,yes it’s in the USA but two host nations .

  9. William Pearson
    William Pearson November 25, 2022 at 7:47 pm . Reply

    Too many holes in our defence !! We have new players like Stone, Maguire, Shore, bad luck that Mount . I wonder if we might play a footballer at any time ..

    1. RSS
      RSS November 25, 2022 at 7:51 pm . Reply

      Kieran Trippier’s having an absolute mare

      1. Ardent Villain
        Ardent Villain November 25, 2022 at 8:06 pm . Reply

        None of them are doing much better

        1. RSS
          RSS November 25, 2022 at 9:00 pm . Reply

          But I (for some totally irrational reason) can’t stand the geezer.😁

          1. Bum Bum
            Bum Bum November 26, 2022 at 8:23 pm . Reply

            Is it just me or do these WC pitches seem very narrow?

        2. William Pearson
          William Pearson November 26, 2022 at 1:20 pm . Reply

          I wish someone will tell that twat Southgate that game was crying out for a footballer, Foden Grealish both was needed not that selfish idiot Steeling along with Saka, they cut through us with footballers and its time for coaching clubs to bring back football not athletes with one two pass . That game was a disgrace to a country that brought football to the world.

  10. William Pearson
    William Pearson November 25, 2022 at 8:20 pm . Reply

    I’ve just watched an American player carve our defence wide open playing football, i know Southgate didn’t play football so he refuses to use any ..

    1. RSS
      RSS November 25, 2022 at 8:58 pm . Reply

      England remind of us under you know who.
      A good bunch of players with a clueless, shite manager.

    2. Ardent Villain
      Ardent Villain November 25, 2022 at 9:12 pm . Reply

      It would have been more entertaining if I’d sat in front of our tumble-dryer for a 90-minute cotton-dry session.

      1. Hitchens60
        Hitchens60 November 25, 2022 at 9:21 pm . Reply

        So I’m sat at the bar and the game is on – after 20 minutes we decided a rum tasting session was more exciting.

        Who won 🙂

        1. RSS
          RSS November 25, 2022 at 9:27 pm . Reply

          0-0 to the US (a morale victory for the Septics, we were woeful, that is unless you listen to big noses version of events).

        2. RSS
          RSS November 25, 2022 at 9:29 pm . Reply

          Bar
          Rum
          Sunshine
          Barbados
          Better option hitch 👍☹️

      2. RSS
        RSS November 25, 2022 at 9:24 pm . Reply

        See the interview?
        We played out well from the back?
        Excuse the f¥ck me Gareth but did you see the same game as me?

        1. Ardent Villain
          Ardent Villain November 25, 2022 at 9:36 pm . Reply

          Oh, yes. The constant sideways passing between the back-4: must have taken up almost 45 minutes across the game…

          (I might have nodded-off for a bit during all that.)

          I’m sure it made the posession stats look good though.

          1. RSS
            RSS November 25, 2022 at 9:59 pm . Reply

            As they say AV “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”

  11. William Pearson
    William Pearson November 26, 2022 at 3:14 pm . Reply

    I wish someone will tell that twat Southgate that game was crying out for a footballer, Foden Grealish both was needed not that selfish idiot Steeling along with Saka, they cut through us with footballers and its time for coaching clubs to bring back football not athletes with one two pass . That game was a disgrace to a country that brought football to the world.

    1. RSS
      RSS November 26, 2022 at 3:33 pm . Reply

      Bill Saka is one player I really don’t get.
      Fodden or Grealish or Rashford all day.

      1. Hitchens60
        Hitchens60 November 26, 2022 at 5:33 pm . Reply

        I think Southgate comes from the same brand of non football managers as no idea Stevie G – but they do fancy themselves!

        1. Ardent Villain
          Ardent Villain November 26, 2022 at 7:45 pm . Reply

          I think it’s the style of ‘management’ typified by the likes of Howard Wilkinson, Steve Mclaren and Sven, when Southgate & SG were around the England team as players…

  12. Bum Bum
    Bum Bum November 27, 2022 at 8:53 am . Reply

    Badger, posts seem to be added in the wrong place quite often. Summat wrong???

  13. William Pearson
    William Pearson November 27, 2022 at 9:25 am . Reply

    I’ve had that Bum Bum, found it to be a reply up the post that I missed earlier. ,had to repost .

  14. Ardent Villain
    Ardent Villain November 27, 2022 at 3:31 pm . Reply

    Meanwhile, Belgium get exactly what they deserved against Morocco – zilch.
    They’re totally past their peak.

    1. William Pearson
      William Pearson November 27, 2022 at 5:38 pm . Reply

      My post jumped twenty five post up .

  15. Big Fat Ron
    Big Fat Ron November 28, 2022 at 12:31 am . Reply

    The Scottish FA making moves on reducing heading of the ball. Welcome but not enough. I love a good headed goal or clearance, but the time has come to BAN heading in football, period. As Cloughie used to say, football should be played on the ground. Apart from the aesthetic benefits, there is now enough evidence to prove benefits to players’ future health. It’s not as radical as you might think. Football without heading would be an even more beautiful game.

    1. Hitchens60
      Hitchens60 November 28, 2022 at 3:02 am . Reply

      Ban heading – ban tackles – ban football. There are those who would seek to ban anything they don’t agree with and use social media as their conduit.

      The beginning of a very slippery slope – mark my words!

      1. Big Fat Ron
        Big Fat Ron November 28, 2022 at 9:34 am . Reply

        Fair point, Hitch, but it’s a very general one. My point is only about heading a football and it’s not that I ‘don’t agree’ with heading. There is clear EVIDENCE that it turns what used to be strong, athletic men into cabbages. Do you think it’s worth it? Should this evidence be ignored? Would football still not be an amazing game without it?

        1. Hitchens60
          Hitchens60 November 28, 2022 at 10:48 am . Reply

          BFR – my comment was somewhat influenced by a significant intake of exceptionally good rum 🙂

          The debate goes wider than football though – rugby for instance appears to have a much bigger problem. Should we ban boxing or maybe just punches to the head – wouldn’t bother me because I don’t like it

          There is a big difference between the balls that footballers like Geoff Astle headed and the modern lightweight balls that don’t become like lumps of rock when sodden with water as the old leather balls did.

          What is the evidence? Is the incidence of dementia in professional footballers any greater than that generally seen in the population – I honestly don’t know?

          The debate will rumble on.

        2. RSS
          RSS November 28, 2022 at 4:59 pm . Reply
          1. Big Fat Ron
            Big Fat Ron November 28, 2022 at 11:43 pm . Reply

            Thanks for this, RSS. It is, however, contradictory. I quote: “Discussing the study’s findings, lead researcher Dr Michael Lipton said: “Our study provides compelling preliminary evidence that brain changes resembling mild traumatic brain injury are associated with frequently heading a soccer ball [football] over many years.””

            I could do with some of Hitch’s quality rum!

  16. William Pearson
    William Pearson November 28, 2022 at 7:46 am . Reply

    Think what we have to look at is when did the weight of the ball change, they are not the ball I played with as a young footballer in the fifties, a case ball that was like heading a cannonball and God it knocked you senseless, the age of players getting ill are after years of playing with what ball ?. Just an observational thought .

    1. Ardent Villain
      Ardent Villain November 28, 2022 at 1:56 pm . Reply

      Agree with you and Hitch. I can remember the old leather case balls ( & what was all that greasy stuff we used to have to put on them…?) which would easily knock you flat-out if you were standing in the wall and someone decided to fire it straight at you!

      It should come down to evidence, and the first part would logically be “Is the incidence of dementia in professional footballers any greater than that generally seen in the population?”

      1. RSS
        RSS November 28, 2022 at 3:00 pm . Reply

        Statistically Swimming,cycling and running are 2nd – 3rd and 4th most dangerous sports, should they also be banned??

        1. Big Fat Ron
          Big Fat Ron November 28, 2022 at 11:52 pm . Reply

          No one suggested banning football, RSS. And it depends what the ‘dangers’ are. As an example, if running on A roads results in a disproportionate number of runners being splattered by lorries, then banning running on A roads is sensible, not banning running.

          I appreciate that anything that poses a risk to health and life can’t logically be banned (Hitch’s rum would have to be on that list). But where adjustments can be made to mediate or eliminate the risk, surely, that can’t be a bad thing? Anyway, you know me. I’ll argue either way until the proverbial cows come home. So let’s agree to disagree.

          1. Hitchens60
            Hitchens60 November 29, 2022 at 1:36 am . Reply

            BFR – ban rum – even diabetics can drink it as all the sugar is distilled out – a fact I learned from my good friend who’s diabetic, 83 years old and can drink me under the table!

            I’m not a great believer in the ‘nanny state’ approach. People should be left to make their own decisions based on the premise (actually Premise is a great designer rim – but I digress) that they are fully informed.

            1. Hitchens60
              Hitchens60 November 29, 2022 at 1:41 am . Reply

              *designer rum -;)

            2. Big Fat Ron
              Big Fat Ron November 29, 2022 at 11:45 pm . Reply

              I was kidding about the rum, Hitch! 🙂
              As for the ‘nanny state’, I’m one of the most rebellious anti-state people I know (I do my wife’s head in, as I’m sure you can imagine!).
              The ‘people should be left to make their own decisions’ argument is great and I fully agree with that. The problem with that is many people are stupid. And their actions impact on other people, who are less stupid. Anyway, we’ve veered away from the footy again. Congratulations to Mr Southgate and his squad for successfully and pretty effortlessly qualifying for the knock-out stages of the WC!

          2. RSS
            RSS November 29, 2022 at 10:38 am . Reply

            You could make an argument BFR, that MRI scans of 37 amateur players is hardly compelling evidence?
            Is such a small restricted study worthy of the media coverage it recieved?
            Or maybe someone sees a funding opportunity?

      2. William Pearson
        William Pearson November 28, 2022 at 3:56 pm . Reply

        Dubin was the grease in them days and remember how you tied the lace up ..

        1. Ardent Villain
          Ardent Villain November 28, 2022 at 6:51 pm . Reply

          Dubin – wonder whether anyone still uses that!

          1. Hitchens60
            Hitchens60 November 29, 2022 at 12:44 pm . Reply

            On my leather walking boots

          2. Originallondonlion
            Originallondonlion November 30, 2022 at 12:31 am . Reply

            There was a tin of Wren’s Dubbin in our family shoeshine box, which lasted there 20 years before I realised there was nothing left on which I could use it. Using Dubbin to waterproof street shoes, made it difficult to get a shine back.

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